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Post by pmontra »

ghqst wrote: post #348
Trollmann wrote: post #122

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Same, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.

Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.

It's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.

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Post by manuhabitela »

haspok wrote: post #200

No dedicated Home/End/PgUp/PgDn/Ins/Del? Meh. No T-shape cursor keys?!? Lame. No love. No want. Go home. Thinkpad FTW. Sorry.

I have to agree the keyboard layout is a noticeable bummer. The only actually impactful one I can find on this laptop on my side for now. So, props to the team still!

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Post by cge »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #370
cge wrote: post #263

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I had meant they aren't available even for pre-ordering, and likely won't be until the laptops are either regularly shipping rather than shipping in numbered batches, or are on a high-numbered batch. This could be months after the actual laptops start shipping. This is a process I've been through a few times at this point. It also wasn't really meant as a substantial complaint about Framework, and more just a mention…

But they are available for pre-order though? At least here in NZ. I just ordered the AMD version, but the Intel one is available too (except the Ultra X9 which is already sold out).

The opposite upgrade kit: people with a mainboard they'd like to keep, but who want all the other upgrades. The kit is listed, but isn't available yet.

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tredre3 wrote: post #357
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #280

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I have two Dell xps 13, two generations apart, the newer one is touchscreen the other (older) isn’t. Guess which one weighs 1.3kg and which weighs 1.1kg. I’ve literally never used the touchscreen.

> two generations apart You're blaming the touchscreen for a lot here, when the explanation is likely a lot more pedestrian. Change in case molding, change in PCB size, slight change in battery size...

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Post by cassepipe »

nhumrich wrote: post #332

Personally, I don't understand aluminum chassis. Sure, it feels more premium, but it comes with quite a bit more weight than plastic, and I much prefer less weight over "feel" when it comes to a laptop.

Plastic. Never again will I allow a laptop to be unusable after some time because of a cracked chassis that couldn't handle mechanical and thermal stress correctly. Never.

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Post by ua709 »

Koffiepoeder wrote: post #390
jeffbee wrote: post #378

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Did I not? I'm trying my best here. The question is sort of off-target, though. What I am trying to say is: 1) DDR uses more power than LPDDR; 2) LPDDR cannot work on a DIMM socket, because of its lower voltage signals, and other reasons; 3) SO-DIMMs always contain the higher power DDR; QED) if you insist on SO-DIMMs, then you have to spend more energy.

Rohansi was basically asking 'why', you keep on reiterating that DDR uses more power than LPDDR, but fail to answer why this is the case. Is it clock speed? Is it voltage? Is it a protocol/specification difference? 'various reasons' is not an answer.

There is no physics based reason why it couldn't work. If the industry really wanted to do it they could. But they don't. The primary reason is LPDDR just has too many pins. A DDR5 SODIMM has 262 pins and is an unwieldy beast. LPDDR5 has 644 pins.

LPCAMM2 really shows the trade-offs. It adds a lot of bulk and cost, and repairability hasn't been valued high enough by the market to cover that overhead for most consumers. That's why Micron exited the market they played a big part in founding.

https://www.ifixit.com/News/95078/lpcamm2-memory-is-finally-...

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Post by pshirshov »

cassianoleal wrote: post #117
pshirshov wrote: post #77

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I did. Linux obliterates Mac in agentic workflows.

In which way? Also, out of curiosity, are you running local LLMs? How's the general experience?

1) Reliable sandbox 2) Nixos makes it easy for agents to research, debug and patch every aspect of the system, even applying kernel patches for the sake of debugging 3) CLI-oriented toolchains. Claude spent around 17 hours trying to set up xcode publishing and in the end just told me to press the button once Organizer pops up. 4) Containers

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Post by hecifato »

I’ve been a MacBook guy for almost a decade now, but I’ve been watching Framework since their first announcement. This is the most appealing Framework device I’ve seen.

The new display, battery life, the new Intel chips, and LPCAM2 memory all look great. I love my M1 MBP but Apple’s software quality has been rough the past year especially. I think this is also the first time the Framework 13 has officially supported Thunderbolt? Depending on how macOS 27 turns out I may seriously consider the 13 Pro as my next laptop. I’d slap Fedora Workstation on it and call it a day.

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Post by cassepipe »

philistine wrote: post #244

Hey let's make a very versatile laptop with tons of options for consumers, and let's not offer the other Standard Canadian French keyboard, let's just have the old one Windows forces on people.

You could get a blank keyboard, and nice transparent stickers.
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