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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by akdev1l »

bigyabai wrote: post #322
akdev1l wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>With Wayland, it's borderline identical. Come on lol. I have a couple steam decks and both are really clunky. Most applications are not built using GTK4 nor Qt6 for that matter. On my steam deck the keyboard never pops up by itself so I have to use a key combination and it feels like I am moving a ghost mouse around the place (rather than proper touch screen support) I ran gnome on the deck for a while but anyway th…

I don't know what to tell you. I'm running it on the desktop with a drawing tablet, Magic Trackpad and oodles of apps, and it's not noticeably different from the stability of iPadOS. My touchscreen laptop is closing in on being a decade old (i7 6600u) and the worst thing I can say about the experience is that it VSyncs down to 30fps during more taxing animations (just like my iPad does).

There is a whole section on touchscreen annoyances from the Linux Surface project: https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Installa...

> Any gesture functionality is dependent on the software you are running. This includes both, the application (e.g. Firefox) and the desktop environment (e.g. GNOME). The driver can only provide a set of input coordinates to the applications. By default, the system will behave as if you've clicked at the point of a single touch, or mouse-button dragged when you single-finger drag.

I love Linux but no need to embellish the current state imo

I am glad that it is working really well for you though

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by sharms »

rick_dalton wrote: post #338
sharms wrote: post #8

This is great - a Macbook Pro for Linux users, made of CNC milled aluminum, haptic trackpad, and 20+ hours of 4k video playback under Linux

The 20h figure is specifically for streaming 4k Netflix in the app on Windows. Netflix doesn’t even support 4K streaming on Linux as far as I know.

Good call out - but seeing 2.5W consumption at idle from people with it already on Linux so these numbers will hold (like Dell XPS 14)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by petu »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #280
petu wrote: post #256

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> Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. 200g is weight of a smartphone, there's no way touch weighs that much. Framework 13 Pro screen seems to have plastic surface as before, not glass-laminated (which I guess could add 200g, but it's not a requirement for laptop touchscreen)

I have two Dell xps 13, two generations apart, the newer one is touchscreen the other (older) isn’t. Guess which one weighs 1.3kg and which weighs 1.1kg. I’ve literally never used the touchscreen.

If they're two generations apart, then 200g difference could be hiding anywhere, but touchscreen (I really doubt it adds even 20g).

e.g. 30g in larger heatsinks, 80g in glass-laminated screen, 20g in larger battery, 40g in more stiffer chassis. 30g in aluminium top case instead of carbon fiber :)

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Post by porphyra »

0xc133 wrote: post #347
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Any word on availability for that 12-core ARM mainboard? Also for the record I’d really love a Snapdragon X2 (or later) option someday…

It's a third party mainboard right?

https://metacomputing.io/products/metacomputing-aipc?variant...

And anyway the performance of this CIX chip is really bad compared to the Snapdragon X2 or current x86 chips. Jeff Geerling has geekbench results here:

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/arm-mainboard-for-fra...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by monegator »

- Intel CPU -> No thanks

- Touchscreen -> mmkay, but i don't really care

- Haptic touchpad -> I absolutely hate those. I want to click buttons. Buttons. Buttons.

Well, this is not for me i guess :(

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tredre3 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #280
petu wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. 200g is weight of a smartphone, there's no way touch weighs that much. Framework 13 Pro screen seems to have plastic surface as before, not glass-laminated (which I guess could add 200g, but it's not a requirement for laptop touchscreen)

I have two Dell xps 13, two generations apart, the newer one is touchscreen the other (older) isn’t. Guess which one weighs 1.3kg and which weighs 1.1kg. I’ve literally never used the touchscreen.

> two generations apart

You're blaming the touchscreen for a lot here, when the explanation is likely a lot more pedestrian. Change in case molding, change in PCB size, slight change in battery size...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by fizwidget »

vizzier wrote: post #292
rafram wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - they're already on my computer, so any full-disk backup service will back them up by default. There's an option to purge them from disk and download from iCloud on demand, but you don't need to use it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/111762

ah fair, I was thinking on the iphone, but in fairness this is a thread about a laptop

Even on an iPhone you can back up your library to Google Photos or other services. You just can’t do so directly through Apple’s Photos app.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

what’s the screen like compared to the previous fw13 options? i’m considering an upgrade (screen-only, from the first gen one)

and by the way, it’s a world where it’s hard to be a fan of any company any more and the fact that you guys remain exceptional gives me hope

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by rozab »

cassianoleal wrote: post #3

The whole page advertises how well this runs Linux, but then… > The side-firing speakers are tuned with Dolby Atmos® to deliver clear, balanced audio on Windows

In my experience, Linux support on Framework is worse than on a typical ThinkPad, and they don't have much interest in contributing to the ecosystem like System76 does. They still make good products, I'm just very unimpressed with the Linux marketing.
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