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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by TiredOfLife »

zekica wrote: post #140
jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

Mainly because Microsoft wants to have "connected standby": the CPU is running in a low power mode (not powered off like "old" S3 sleep), can be turned on periodically and can turn on other devices even when the computer is "sleeping". My Zen2 based Lenovo laptop has 6-7 hours of battery when doing basic tasks in both Windows and Linux, but sleep on Linux lasts a week while on Windows it's empty in 24 hours.

And the funny thing is that with Windows 10 they completely abandoned all the software that could take advantage of connected standby

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by vizzier »

rafram wrote: post #276
vizzier wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or switch to another provider Can you though? Its been a few years since I've been on apple, but being able to get anything but icloud native support in other apps was basically non-existent. Compared to android where it gives you a plethora of choice out of the box.

Yes - they're already on my computer, so any full-disk backup service will back them up by default. There's an option to purge them from disk and download from iCloud on demand, but you don't need to use it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/111762

ah fair, I was thinking on the iphone, but in fairness this is a thread about a laptop

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by brookritz »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #232

Man, I want to get a Framework, but I'm held back by the lack of trackpoint. Yes, I know it's not going to happen officially, but I just can't see myself using a laptop without one. So, until someone figures out some mod or 3rd-party part I'm sticking with Thinkpads.

same

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by cassianoleal »

iamdamian wrote: post #252
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

I preordered a 13 Pro with Ryzen, which I'm already very excited about. Reading between the lines of your video announcement, though, it seems like the Intel experience might be more optimal (you pointed out Intel's new low power efficiency cores and Dolby sound being tested with Intel). If I want the best battery life and sound possible with Linux, should I switch my preorder to Intel?

I'm also curious about these.

What I am also curious is around memory management. On the Intel, I can get at most 64Gb RAM for now, 96Gb in the future. On AMD I can get 128Gb right now. Do they differ in how they can share RAM with the GPU? Do either need me to specify how much is vRAM and how much is available to the CPU, or are them both unified, similar to how Apple Silicon does it?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bigyabai »

awongh wrote: post #287

How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days? How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / responsiveness, and for native-feeling integration with ubuntu? I am, naturally, a bit skeptical that touchscreen UI would be any good in linux.

> How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days?

GNOME supports multitouch gestures, and the GTK4 toolkit is overall very touch-native. It strikes a nice balance between overpadded and touch-accessible, IMO: https://www.gnome.org/

(some of the newer Libadwaita widgets that GNOME is using: https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/libadwaita/doc/main/wid... )

> How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / responsiveness

With Wayland, it's borderline identical.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by opan »

rjh29 wrote: post #178
Lammy wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb comparison, because buying a Framework is a single transaction where I exchange money for a computer, and buying a Mac is an entrypoint to “The Ecosystem” where Apple wants to squeeze me for $ /month forever. Peep the margins on “Products” versus “Services” and you will understand what Apple's incentives are and why just selling me hardware isn't it: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2026-q1/FY26_Q1_Consol..…

You're also locked into their ecosystem for repairs, accessories etc. all of which are more expensive than anywhere else.

What kind of accessories? You can use cheap generic USB-C docks/hubs, depending on your needs. (macOS doesn't support DP MST so depending on # of screens you want to attach, you may need a more expensive dock, though it still doesn't have to be Apple-specific).

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Post by ssl-3 »

pinum wrote: post #183
cogman10 wrote: post #78

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There have been fairly recent changes to the linux kernel to better support panther lake in terms of power performance. I'd suspect a major reason for holding back is because ubuntu 26.04 has not been released yet and it is using kernel 7.0 which includes these power improvements. 24.04 does not. By the time these laptops start shipping, 26.04 should be released and testing should be easy. I suspect no major differen…

If I was releasing a laptop with Linux support as a key selling point, and the battery life was bad on Ubuntu 24.04 but good on the pre-release 26.04, then I'd advertise the good figures and write "tested on Ubuntu 26.04 beta, requires Linux 7.0 or later" in the footnotes. I definitely /wouldn't/ rely on just Windows figures for a machine that's otherwise advertised as "Linux first". If the battery life was the same…

I'm a long-time Linux user who might actually be in the market for a just-works upgradeable laptop[1] that comes with Ubuntu.

I already know that combinations of hardware and software can be stretched and tweaked to do really interesting things in really excellent ways. I don't need them to tell me that computer systems are flexible. That's just noise.

And I don't want them to tell me how their (unreleased) hardware might work in the future with some unreleased/beta software. That tends to be interpreted as speculation, or as lies and deceit.

I'd prefer to see benchmarks of how it works if it shipped today.

If those benchmarks are unsavory (as they may presently be) and thus omitted, then that's not ideal but it's okay.

I definitely don't want to feel as if I'm being lied to, in place of an omission.

[1]: I just want a 15" version. I'm not a fan of little screens. My eyes aren't getting any better.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Lammy »

rafram wrote: post #265
Lammy wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to use a computer whose greatest aspiration is to be a sales funnel even if I am personally strong-willed enough to say no when nagged.

macOS seriously never nags you about services. Service nags aren't classy. You can credibly accuse Apple of plenty of things, but having a lack of class isn't one.

My screenshots directory says you are wrong: https://i.ibb.co/cKjL8qcG/Screenshot-2025-02-18-at-09-07-06....

My last (and first, and only) iPhone was even worse. At one point the Settings app had no fewer than three paid-service nags at the top that I had to scroll through to even get to the first actual setting.

Storage almost full: enable iCloud Backup!

Try Apple Music, first month free!!

Activate your Apple News+ free trial!!! https://i.ibb.co/Cp275qQ9/news.webp

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Night_Thastus »

brson wrote: post #138

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…

That's rough. Did you contact their support about it? I measure a lot of companies by how they handle recovering from stuff like this.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by vizzier »

babylon5 wrote: post #269
vizzier wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be fair, your money isn't as good as VC money for RAM at the moment

Are Nvidia using ecc ram? If not this should mean it is less supply constrained than regular ram.

I'm open to being wrong, but so far as I understand it ECC mostly lives at the controller level and shares the same DRAM chips across all forms of server memory (including non-ecc), which is why we see price increases across all sectors including consumer.

Those DRAM chips being the bottleneck that would require hard to build new silicon fabs to increase supply.

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