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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by thebruce87m »

stetrain wrote: post #173
altairprime wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything that isn’t a MacBook will be more expensive than a MacBook, so you should choose a price you want to spend and then evaluate if you prefer a Framework or a Mac at that price point . If your available spending power is too low for a Framework, you’re not getting a Framework — and, separately, if you want a Framework for some reason specific to the Framework and can afford one, then the price of a Mac isn’t…

> Everything that isn’t a MacBook will be more expensive than a MacBook Imagine telling this to someone in 2010 or 2015.

Back then I’d probably tell you how they hold their value and were cheaper in the long run anyway.

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Post by ericd »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

I’d just keep in mind that you’re comparing a niche product from a startup breaking into a notoriously competitive market who are also doing the harder task of making these slim devices user upgradeable to a product from one of the largest companies in the world, with a CEO that is well known for being a master of supply chain, and with all of the economies of scale.

And they’re miraculously within 10-20% of each other.

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Post by whalesalad »

nhumrich wrote: post #332

Personally, I don't understand aluminum chassis. Sure, it feels more premium, but it comes with quite a bit more weight than plastic, and I much prefer less weight over "feel" when it comes to a laptop.

It manages heat better, with the entire chassis acting as a heatsink. Also unlike plastic, under repetetive heat/cool cycles the tolerances won't change like plastic will.

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Post by moffkalast »

nine_k wrote: post #19
moffkalast wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you know how it is on linux, one wrong move and pulseaudio needs restarting lol.

Who does still run pulseaudio when pipewire exists?

People using LTS releases, who do you know... actual work instead of just compiling your kernel over and over.

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Post by jszymborski »

chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

> That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do.

It's sorta essential imo if they want to make good on their one value-prop: repairability and the good will that comes with it. If they start releasing a tonne of SKUs with a million different parts, they'll inevitably have to sunset parts at a clip that'll completely make useless their repairability claims.

I am a happy Framework laptop owner, but I paid a premium b/c I expect moves like this. If this would change, it would become just an over-priced laptop... might as well by another Thinkpad or Dell XPS.

That said, I'm super happy they apparently have the good sense to see this. Not all companies make moves in their best interests.

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Post by 0xc133 »

nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Any word on availability for that 12-core ARM mainboard? Also for the record I’d really love a Snapdragon X2 (or later) option someday…

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Post by ghqst »

Trollmann wrote: post #122
tuckerman wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mission so well.

Same, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.

Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.
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