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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by ua709 »

The expansion card system seems like something I would actually really like, especially as a hardware engineer. But the more I thought about it I couldn't really think of any compelling expansion cards that were worth the effort. So I figured I would look at what was in their store to see what other people thought up, and there isn't really any 3rd party store that I could find.

I did find this list: https://community.frame.work/t/list-of-company-or-individual...

According to it there are more 3rd party main boards than expansion cards. I kinda get it, but wow. End of an era I guess.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by fulafel »

dehugger wrote: post #99
luyu_wu wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iGP can access shared memory the same as with any modern system. I'm confused where you got this idea from.

There is a huge difference between on-die and off-die memory. Where that shared memory is located matters immensely.

Macs or other competing systems don't have on-die memory.

(Except for the caches, which everybody has)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by wmf »

kube-system wrote: post #67
sosodev wrote: post #22

TIL LPCAMM2 exists. What an awesome solution to allow memory replacements while meeting all of the other requirements for laptops.

It doesn't meet all of them. AMD considered it for Strix Halo but said it didn't meet their latency requirements.

LPCAMM2 latency should be the same as soldered. The problem is that Strix Halo wants a L-shaped memory layout and LPCAMMs are straight.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by chis »

unclad5968 wrote: post #48
chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

Isnt that the entire value proposition of the company?

They could have done a much more minimal version and called it a day. Being able to swap individual components of the chassis into a 5 year old model is, to me, going way above and beyond.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by Rohansi »

jeffbee wrote: post #66
jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

I think it's just a vertical integration thing. They know what's in the machine and they can make sure that their suspend path puts every peripheral to sleep. Linux has no idea what's in your machine and there may be some device in there somewhere that freaks out if the machine goes to sleep without saying goodnight. Even a 50mW draw will destroy the suspend power budget. Chromebooks have similar vertical integration…

How does soldering memory help reduce sleep power consumption vs. using a socket? What is different other than how they are physically connected to the board?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bodge5000 »

Just wish they'd give the FW16 the same treatment, at least in terms of the build. You shouldn't choose a laptop based on looks but thats hitting exactly what I want, minus the 16" screen

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by trelane »

iknowstuff wrote: post #59
jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

They write their own software. And firmware. Other OEMs can just beg their tier 1/2 suppliers to get their shit together and put components to sleep properly by making windows, drivers, and firmware work well together. Also things like lpddr5x, ssd controller built into the SoC with cache in unified ram (instead of running a whole ass separate computer with its own ram on an m2 stick) etc

Exactly. This is precisely why I stopped buying Windows computers and started buying System76. Well that and the support.

Looks like Framework has started heading this direction too, which is nice to see.

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