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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by encom »

levkk wrote: post #114
kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

On top of it, intel chips are not competitive with apple silicon. Why buy a laptop that's 30% slower and uses more energy for the same price?

To avoid having to use Mac OS, and suffering the whims of Apple.

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Post by Neikius »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

Trying to reduce idle power use of a simple esp32 based project I did a while back... Yeah it is indeed tricky. Apple having full control of their hardware supply chain, firmware and software helps a ton. And PC standardization issues do no good either.

On the other hand framework is actually in a good position to do something about it. Similar to valve. I think they do have more control than a regular PC vendor when also using Linux ad they have a very limited portfolio of devices and can actually upstream software fixes.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by IshKebab »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #32
IshKebab wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you really blame them for that?

Yes. Easily. If you proclaim up front that a device is "Linux first", it seems reasonable to suggest that maybe you should tell us about its performance on Linux.

Yeah I mean I don't think they want to say because the numbers are going to be bad, and it's probably not within their power to fix it.

They should probably give the Linux numbers after the Windows ones at least tbf, even if they are bad.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dehugger »

Rohansi wrote: post #128
dehugger wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a huge difference between on-die and off-die memory. Where that shared memory is located matters immensely.

Assuming you're referring to Apple Silicon's memory bandwidth, that is not necessarily because the memory is on-die. The bandwidth comes from having more channels to access memory. This gives the SoC a wider bus to increase throughput vs. your typical x86 system with two channels. For whatever reasons Intel/AMD decided that two channels is all the typical consumer chips can support now so it's on them.

Ah I see, thanks for breaking it down.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tuetuopay »

iamcalledrob wrote: post #10

I really wish this had a 4K display option. As someone who dislikes fractional scaling. I'm clinging on to my older Thinkpad X1 because the 4K display is so good.

As a heavy fractional scaling user, as long as the display has enough DPI, it's a non-issue. At my last job I was happily running 1.35 scaling, and I run my TV at 1.5 scaling. Make sure you're using a sane compositor, which excludes DWM; most Wayland compositors should run just fine.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by brson »

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year.

The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died.

On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me her parts and I was able to swap some out. That was cool.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by zekica »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

Mainly because Microsoft wants to have "connected standby": the CPU is running in a low power mode (not powered off like "old" S3 sleep), can be turned on periodically and can turn on other devices even when the computer is "sleeping".

My Zen2 based Lenovo laptop has 6-7 hours of battery when doing basic tasks in both Windows and Linux, but sleep on Linux lasts a week while on Windows it's empty in 24 hours.

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