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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by guzfip »

Lucasoato wrote: post #153
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I’ve asked an artist if they should be worried about the newest generative AI capabilities. This is his (translated) response: > Artists? Pencil laborers, more like.. I am in favor of using AI in visuals. It will eliminate a lot of mere decorators, and won’t even slightly affect the artists. I hope AI as a technology has the same effect on the world of ART as the invention of photography had: it got rid of a lot of e…

> it got rid of a lot of empty landscape copiers.

Hey now, HN would have you believe these guys are the pinnacle of art.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by guzfip »

coldtea wrote: post #234
Lucasoato wrote: post #153

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I’ve asked an artist if they should be worried about the newest generative AI capabilities. This is his (translated) response: > Artists? Pencil laborers, more like.. I am in favor of using AI in visuals. It will eliminate a lot of mere decorators, and won’t even slightly affect the artists. I hope AI as a technology has the same effect on the world of ART as the invention of photography had: it got rid of a lot of e…

Wishful thinking. What it will do is it will spoil it for 99% of small time artists that still managed to make a living out of it. It will drown audience with slop and make them not care for new releases even more. That "artists" idea is that the Monet's will survive, but art is not a rat race where just the Monets need apply. A healthy art scene needs all kinds of creators, at different levels, and needs to be able…

Well now they can do something economically useful, like Walmart greeter.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by saaaaaam »

somewhatgoated wrote: post #375
saaaaaam wrote: post #344

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The biggest issue for new musicians is getting people’s attention. AI music that people are happy to over human music listen to is absolutely part of the problem.

I agree that this is the biggest problem, but the existing backlog of hits is far that have been recorded since way before I was born is far “worse” in that regard than AI slop. It’s easy (at least for now) to compete with slop - it’s way harder to compete with e.g. Queen, Eminem and the Beatles. It’s like saying cancer is a problem when you’re bleeding from a gunshot wound to your chest.

The engagement mechanisms and audiences for heritage artists vs new artists are very different. New artists are not in competition with heritage artists like the ones you mention: those artists are a constant passive consumption baseline against which new active “lean in” consumption needs to fit. A lot of music listening is passive consumption. Start an algorithmically generated “radio” style playlist from one of those big name heritage artists and Spotify will then serve up payola content (baked in in the major label deals, “Spotify Discovery Mode” for indies) that positions new music within that playlist for algorithmically receptive listeners. If AI created music is going head to head in that algorithmic market for listening slots, that has a significant disadvantage for new human-created music.

Big name heritage artists aren’t the problem - they are the thing that underpins a lot of consumption and keeps people coming back to platform.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by H1Supreme »

some-guy wrote: post #152
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

A lot of people thought the same thing with everything going from analog -> digital. Or heck, even learning an instrument when MIDI was first introduced. Even before generative AI, there is a long-going debate in audio circles around simulated guitar amplifiers. The truth is, the simulations of them have gotten so insanely good that now one could simply purchase an all-in-one pedalboard and have basically all of guit…

> A lot of people thought the same thing with everything going from analog -> digital.

A lot of people were right. Music gear lead heavily back into analog after the initial analog to digital transition. I started out using computers exclusively. When I purchased my first analog synth, I couldn't believe how much better it sounded than my VST's. It's hard to quantify exactly why, but my ears lit up the second I started using it.

In terms of amp modeling software, some of it is indeed very impressive. But, tends to fall apart when you need to tweak parameters. I assume this has to do with the capture process. But, if you are happy to use stock patches, it's basically an amp replacement.

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Post by strangegecko »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #352
awfulneutral wrote: post #235

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Yeah. People act like it's a sin to want some notice or respect when you've worked and achieved something, like you should be some zen-like creature that is purely intrinsically motivated. It is not wrong to want some notice or respect from your peers once in a while.

I'd like to clarify my comment 4 levels up. Of course it's not a sin to want some notice and respect from people. It's a totally understood and natural, human thing. By proposing to part with those expectations, I don't mean getting rid of human nature in a transhumanist way. I'm just trying to warn people who are in the very beginning of their creative ways. There are so many ways to descend into misery and depressi…

Thanks for expanding on your story, it means a lot to hear from people with experience.

I've received a lot of thoughtful responses and am a little embarrassed because I'm probably looking in all the wrong places in my search for identity or joy or meaning. My life kind of fell apart in the last few years, first the career, then the relationship, then my sense of self as I realized all I've ever done were coping mechanisms. At this point, I'm essentially looking for a reason to live, and that places a heavier burden on anything I try than is reasonable.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by DrewADesign »

fao_ wrote: post #287
DrewADesign wrote: post #285

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If you didn’t sink a career’s worth of time doing creative work professionally, then that’s a nice relationship to have with creative output. For a lot of people, AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. Mortgages not paid, cancer not treated, birthday presents not purc…

> AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. I want to be clear. I am 100% on-board with AI being absolutely shit. Buuuut, this has always been the case. Before it was scammers taking images from the web and undercutting you with prints, now it's scammers stealing your ar…

Scale makes it a completely different problem. AI has wiped out the compensation market for entire fields— like copywriting, stock photography, and concept art— practically overnight, and it happened because tech companies have conjured up a very selfish definition of “fair” in the context of fair use. (Isn’t it hilarious to see them get their knickers twisted over distillation? They can blow it straight out their assess.)

It’s comforting to think this is just an incremental change in the battle for capital-focused hyper-efficiency, but it’s absolutely not. This isn’t even the steady decline manufacturing saw over decades… it’s is like what happened to paste-up men or telephone operators but over an incomparably large swath of the creative world.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by DrewADesign »

paul7986 wrote: post #315
fao_ wrote: post #287

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> AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. I want to be clear. I am 100% on-board with AI being absolutely shit. Buuuut, this has always been the case. Before it was scammers taking images from the web and undercutting you with prints, now it's scammers stealing your ar…

As a hobbyist musician and songwriter of decades i was excited about AI music in October. I could finally take my rough demos of me singing along to my guitar and make better demos then just using garageband as Im not much of a singer. I enjoyed using Suno for a month or less then realize this is shit .... my own songs are AI slop just like everyone else - all sounds the same and my songwriting talents are meaningles…

But just think… soon we’ll be able to pay some SV company to exercise all of the creative and intellectual effort we would have had to do manually with our squishy meat thought boxes… yuck! Disgustingly inefficient. With the convenience of simulated romance, brilliance, excitement, art, music, relationships, faith, a sense of wonder, sex, human connection, joy, exploration, and everything else that manifested itself in the real world with real obstacles and pushback and negative feelings, we’ll have plenty of time to do all of the menial jobs that are left. What a win!

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by PearlRiver »

DrewADesign wrote: post #285
tmountain wrote: post #203

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I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

If you didn’t sink a career’s worth of time doing creative work professionally, then that’s a nice relationship to have with creative output. For a lot of people, AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. Mortgages not paid, cancer not treated, birthday presents not purc…

One part of being an artist is that you are a clown who entertains people. You cannot just make music you have to be out there being outrageous and weird.

This is exactly what all the successful ones do. No AI can go on television and sing songs about how great Hitler was.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by DrewADesign »

PearlRiver wrote: post #398
DrewADesign wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you didn’t sink a career’s worth of time doing creative work professionally, then that’s a nice relationship to have with creative output. For a lot of people, AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. Mortgages not paid, cancer not treated, birthday presents not purc…

One part of being an artist is that you are a clown who entertains people. You cannot just make music you have to be out there being outrageous and weird. This is exactly what all the successful ones do. No AI can go on television and sing songs about how great Hitler was.

Becoming successful enough to be on TV (or get a ton of views on media sites) is so uncommon that it’s pointless to use as a comparison for any common career path in the creative world.

And I’m speaking more broadly than music— it’s much worse in other fields. Most commercial art does not involve being an entertainer.

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Post by PearlRiver »

saghm wrote: post #338
WalterBright wrote: post #291

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The reality is, essentially nobody makes money by creating music. Taylor Swift, you might say, is a billionaire. Is it from selling music? Nope, it's from selling tickets to her shows. People want to see her perform live. A Taylor Swift impersonator would make no money singing the same songs. A cover band wouldn't do any better. It's the same with authoring books. Almost nobody makes any significant money off of them…

> Taylor Swift, you might say, is a billionaire. Is it from selling music? Nope, it's from selling tickets to her shows. People want to see her perform live. People want to see her performing...her music. She would not make nearly as much money by going up on stage and sitting quietly for a few hours. It's also worth nothing that she literally re-recorded several of her albums due to someone else getting the rights t…

Taylor Swift is an interesting personality.

So many people can probably reach her level of music but have the charisma of a door nail.

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