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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Bad_CRC »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #85
Bad_CRC wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about if 4 years they says that they have dettected a problem in your battery? A new battery should fix that but now you cannot do it properly because it could do 1000 cycles. This same thing happened to Pixels 6a after 500 cycles.

Then don’t buy a phone from a company with a piss poor record of customer service. Just looking in maps, there are three Apple Stores within a 45 minute drive from where I live in central Florida. The situation is worse in my hometown in South GA admittedly, you have to drive 70 miles for same day service for an authorized repair place - mostly Best Buy.

Apple has now a great record of customer service?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Oxodao »

thelastgallon wrote: post #804
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #725

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I don't think this is where peak battery tech ends up. At current capacities, batteries are becoming genuinely dangerous, and faster charging only amplifies the risk. Charging high-capacity cells outside a temperature-controlled charger is risky, and even reputable chargers shouldn't be left unattended — many workplaces ban it outright (it only takes one fire to make that policy). Phone batteries are the worst of it:…

We don't need fast charging. Phones will be left on wireless charging surfaces, which will eventually be ubiquitous. Everyone hates usb-c plug in. Just leave it on a surface, pick it whenever you want. We don't need to fast charge anything, phones or EVs. Slow charging preserves battery life and smart charging will charge whenever it is cheapest.

I've never seen anyone hate usb-c, what world do you live in? And on phones fast-charging's cost on the battery life expectancy is negligible[0]

Also, wireless charging is finicky and comes at a cost: way less efficient energy transfer.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLS5Cg_yNdM

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Ray20 »

ahf8Aithaex7Nai wrote: post #806

> Why isn't there any significant demand for replaceable batteries? Most consumers are like pigs who simply eat whatever the market throws into their trough, because ultimately they have better things to do than to get deeply involved in every purchasing decision. > If replaceable batteries were better, they would already be available. Developments like those in the smartphone market involve complex path dependencies…

> That’s why you can’t simply assume that competition will lead to the product offerings converging on the best product.

You also can't simply assume that an existing solution on the market is not the best already.

I mean, who told us that smartphones with user-replaceable batteries are better than smartphones that are 0.5 mm thinner because their batteries are non-replaceable? The same people who want to ban encryption?

> Regulatory interventions in the market can then serve as an effective lever to help the market break free from that situation.

No, they can't. Regulatory processes are shaped by the same incentives as market ones. It's just that the tools for achieving goals are different. And because of this, it is always moving in the opposite direction from "help the market".

> I’m supposed to just shut up and accept that there isn’t enough demand for my quirky, special requests?

Generally speaking, yes, it is a market ideology. But what's not clear about it? People adhere to it not because they like when unqualified masses, with their consumer behavior, encourage all sorts of nasty things in mass-market products. It's simply better than when a regulatory body implements its "quirky, special requests" at the expense of everyone else.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by dzhiurgis »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #725
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

I don't think this is where peak battery tech ends up. At current capacities, batteries are becoming genuinely dangerous, and faster charging only amplifies the risk. Charging high-capacity cells outside a temperature-controlled charger is risky, and even reputable chargers shouldn't be left unattended — many workplaces ban it outright (it only takes one fire to make that policy). Phone batteries are the worst of it:…

Slop

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Oxodao »

8note wrote: post #735
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is where peak battery tech ends up. At current capacities, batteries are becoming genuinely dangerous, and faster charging only amplifies the risk. Charging high-capacity cells outside a temperature-controlled charger is risky, and even reputable chargers shouldn't be left unattended — many workplaces ban it outright (it only takes one fire to make that policy). Phone batteries are the worst of it:…

> e.g a phone with a glued battery can have 5000mAh but the same phone with a more durable battery connector can only be 4500mAh. alternatively, i can trade more bulk for more battery. if its got a connector, why cant i put a bigger batter in the slot that sticks out?

Thinkpad T480, with dual battery was a really great idea

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by dzhiurgis »

cataphract wrote: post #667
bko wrote: post #660

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The fact that pretty much no phones have a replaceable battery says something. And it doesn't mean that all manufacturers are somehow colluding with each. The market is very competitive and pretty much every manufacturer decided the trade offs are not worth the benefit. If Samsung or Xiaomi or Google could sell you a better phone with a replaceable battery, they would. But everyone came to the conclusion that the tra…

I don't think the objective is to make it a "superior product" in the somewhat circular way you're defining it (i.e., the market equilibrium that we settled on). It's one of several measures to try to have people keep their phones for longer and cut e-waste.

I think it’s far more likely to introduce additional dead batteries into existing waste. Probably drop in an ocean given how much batteries are already dumped.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Oxodao »

bko wrote: post #660
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

The fact that pretty much no phones have a replaceable battery says something. And it doesn't mean that all manufacturers are somehow colluding with each. The market is very competitive and pretty much every manufacturer decided the trade offs are not worth the benefit. If Samsung or Xiaomi or Google could sell you a better phone with a replaceable battery, they would. But everyone came to the conclusion that the tra…

The trade-off is basically having a thicker phone. Nobody except apple thus all manufacturers 6 month later want paper-thin phones. Never the actual consumers.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by petesergeant »

zeafoamrun wrote: post #819
jurgenburgen wrote: post #813

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> In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) According to research bottle caps are one of the biggest source of beach litter because they float and end up washed up. They are also exceptionally harmful to animals that confuse them for fish and end up consuming them. I don’t think anyone who is against the bottle caps directive is serious about protecti…

Every airport in Europe has no water filling stations so you have to buy a plastic bottle with the stupid attached bottle cap. So green!

> has no water filling stations

Wouldn't you just fill it up from ... a tap in the washroom?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by pllbnk »

jurgenburgen wrote: post #813
pllbnk wrote: post #809

I find it so weird that European regulation targets very specific niches while avoiding generalization. In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) but go to the supermarket and there are various fruits and vegetables each unit wrapped in plastic separately. Now they are targeting phones but I also want my handheld and robot vacuum cleaners, electric to…

> In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) According to research bottle caps are one of the biggest source of beach litter because they float and end up washed up. They are also exceptionally harmful to animals that confuse them for fish and end up consuming them. I don’t think anyone who is against the bottle caps directive is serious about protecti…

I am definitely not against plastic pollution, but against narrowly targeted regulation. When the regulation is very specific, the workarounds are trivial. One funny example: Lithuania banned alcohol advertisement, so the advertisers started advertising non-alcoholic beer and other drinks under the same brand names; essentially the ads stayed the same with "non-alcoholic" appended to them. It's cynical but legal.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by cm-t »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #778

I used to work for Nokia back when they still made phones. Replaceable batteries were very normal then. Phones were a bit thicker than today but not massively so. These days phones are actually thinner but much larger. I had a "are you happy to see me or is that a Nokia" type Nokia 9300. That was a brick. But it had a full hw keyboard. and flipped open it wasn't that much bigger than a modern smart phone. You could a…

Fairphones already have replacable battery for more than a decade (2013?), so yes, it could, can, hold a swappable battery.
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