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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by manquer »

kube-system wrote: post #631
manquer wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices You seem to referencing from a older exemption for self serviceability if your smartphone can do 1,000 cycles and retain 80% battery. Specifically - B 1.1 (1) (c) (ii) (b) . Here is the link - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Article 11 of the new regulation ( https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... ) c…

> covers exemptions but nothing to do with 1,000 cycles or Apple as far as i can see. It appears what you're looking for is in B(5)(c)(ii). > (c) From 20 June 2025, manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives shall ensure that the process for battery replacement: > (i) meets the following criteria: > — fasteners shall be resupplied or reusable; > — the process for replacement shall be feasible with no tool…

the mistake was in using the same link twice. It is the same URL. There is no Article 11 in the that link.

You and other poster could have just web searched and corrected me, Here is the the actual link https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by manquer »

manquer wrote: post #534
twilo wrote: post #4

If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt from this, which is exactly what Apple implemented a few years ago. Low cost phones will be most affected.

This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices You seem to referencing from a older exemption for self serviceability if your smartphone can do 1,000 cycles and retain 80% battery. Specifically - B 1.1 (1) (c) (ii) (b) . Here is the link - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Article 11 of the new regulation ( https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... ) c…

Cannot edit this now Here is the actual link to new regulations https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng

P.S. I had posted same link twice.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by jurgenburgen »

pllbnk wrote: post #809

I find it so weird that European regulation targets very specific niches while avoiding generalization. In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) but go to the supermarket and there are various fruits and vegetables each unit wrapped in plastic separately. Now they are targeting phones but I also want my handheld and robot vacuum cleaners, electric to…

> In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea)

According to research bottle caps are one of the biggest source of beach litter because they float and end up washed up. They are also exceptionally harmful to animals that confuse them for fish and end up consuming them.

I don’t think anyone who is against the bottle caps directive is serious about protecting our environment. It’s a minor change with an outsized impact.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by loeber »

vrganj wrote: post #668
loeber wrote: post #462

I worry that this ends up, like other EU consumer-protection regulation, as an own goal. - The cheapest phones available in the EU (and purchasable online) all have glued-in batteries, not swappable ones. Forcing consumers to use phones with swappable batteries may just mean that the bottom of the market disappears, and consumers will be left paying more for their phones. And would they rather pay less or have swappa…

Not having cheap plastic junk that ends up as toxic landfill is a pro, not a con. "Cheap" isn't enough, especially if it's cheap through externalizing cost.

Say that to the people who can't afford them!

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by loeber »

vincnetas wrote: post #478
loeber wrote: post #462

I worry that this ends up, like other EU consumer-protection regulation, as an own goal. - The cheapest phones available in the EU (and purchasable online) all have glued-in batteries, not swappable ones. Forcing consumers to use phones with swappable batteries may just mean that the bottom of the market disappears, and consumers will be left paying more for their phones. And would they rather pay less or have swappa…

... other EU consumer-protection regulation ... like unified charging cable, free EU roaming or intercountry bank payments that are instant and almost free, air travel protections?

Unified charging cable: what if the standard had been set much earlier? For example, in 2008? We'd all be on Micro-USB, far inferior to USB-C. Right now USB-C feels great, but do you really think this is the end-all, be-all? I think the cost of this mandatory standardization will become apparent a few years from now.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by szszrk »

giantrobot wrote: post #808
jillesvangurp wrote: post #778

I used to work for Nokia back when they still made phones. Replaceable batteries were very normal then. Phones were a bit thicker than today but not massively so. These days phones are actually thinner but much larger. I had a "are you happy to see me or is that a Nokia" type Nokia 9300. That was a brick. But it had a full hw keyboard. and flipped open it wasn't that much bigger than a modern smart phone. You could a…

If you remember Nokia's batteries they were covered in a relatively thick ABS shell. They were also, compared to today, had laughably little storage. A Series 40 Nokia just did not draw that much power. The single GSM/PCS radio also sipped power. Even if you stripped a 5G phone down to a Series 40-esque interface the 5G radios alone would use more power than a whole 3310. In order to get the power density modern phon…

I found out somewhat recently that those Nokia batteries (like BL-5C) are still used in hardware. You can still pick them up on some stores.

I came across them in portable radios (portable FM radios, small global radios, plane listening radios and similar).

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by jillesvangurp »

giantrobot wrote: post #808
jillesvangurp wrote: post #778

I used to work for Nokia back when they still made phones. Replaceable batteries were very normal then. Phones were a bit thicker than today but not massively so. These days phones are actually thinner but much larger. I had a "are you happy to see me or is that a Nokia" type Nokia 9300. That was a brick. But it had a full hw keyboard. and flipped open it wasn't that much bigger than a modern smart phone. You could a…

If you remember Nokia's batteries they were covered in a relatively thick ABS shell. They were also, compared to today, had laughably little storage. A Series 40 Nokia just did not draw that much power. The single GSM/PCS radio also sipped power. Even if you stripped a 5G phone down to a Series 40-esque interface the 5G radios alone would use more power than a whole 3310. In order to get the power density modern phon…

The N95 had something like 995 mAh. A modern iphone would have about 4x that.

Also interesting to know is that BYD was supplying a lot of phone batteries back then. I think they also supplied to Nokia. Phone batteries is what made them big.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by zeafoamrun »

jurgenburgen wrote: post #813
pllbnk wrote: post #809

I find it so weird that European regulation targets very specific niches while avoiding generalization. In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) but go to the supermarket and there are various fruits and vegetables each unit wrapped in plastic separately. Now they are targeting phones but I also want my handheld and robot vacuum cleaners, electric to…

> In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) According to research bottle caps are one of the biggest source of beach litter because they float and end up washed up. They are also exceptionally harmful to animals that confuse them for fish and end up consuming them. I don’t think anyone who is against the bottle caps directive is serious about protecti…

Every airport in Europe has no water filling stations so you have to buy a plastic bottle with the stupid attached bottle cap. So green!
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