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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by gf000 »

Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #332
nicpottier wrote: post #290

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I think phone manufacturers will figure it out once it is a requirement. Was switching everyone to USB-C annoying for Apple? Sure. Are we in a better place because the EU forced it. You betcha. That's the point. I don't love everything the EU does (cookie banners!?) but this is one where I have confidence that the consumer will ultimately benefit. As others have noted, most people do not replace their phones every tw…

I also want headphone jacks back - which I'm sure will be less popular here than batteries. We used to have waterproof phones with both. I'm not sure about the rules around required ability but I'd like that too

Phones back then were definitely not as durable as modern ones. Whether you like it or not, it's easier to waterproof a completely insulated system.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by dingaling »

fsflover wrote: post #279
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #246

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the secondary market for old phones seems strong?

Because people don't understand the security implications of non-updated software?

If it's a choice between no phone and an old, software-EOL phone I can't blame them.

Frankly so long as my browser, VPN and mail app are updated I'm happy.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by dijit »

runeks wrote: post #465
dijit wrote: post #398

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Cookie banners is malicious compliance. The ultimate goal being for you yo think it was bad legislation instead of how every company is fucking you for your privacy. They’re winning.

It was bad legislation because it didn't achieve anything except make visiting websites more annoying. I don't care what the politicians intended. The outcome is no improvement in privacy but more annoying banners.

The same way that the legislation that abolished slavery was bad because it didn’t account for the prison systems leasing out unpaid workers leading to even worse conditions for black folk in the US?

People talk as if the EU should have done nothing, or that the rule should be repealed, the GDPR forced people to have a functioning deny all.

The real lesson here is that people would rather annoy their users for money than create good products. Its a case for regulation.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by halostatue »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #463
srmatto wrote: post #416

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I can't speak to the experience with Android but Apple offers both in-store battery replacement or Mail-in battery replacement for $70-120 which to me seems very reasonable. Could it be cheaper? Sure, maybe I guess? But $70-120 is a lot less than a new phone. And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

> And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail The ancients managed to design around replaceable batteries, I don't think these techniques have been entirely lost to time.

They also designed with cheap shells that felt loose before a year was out, and offered exactly zero water and dust protection so if your device got wet, it was considered out of warranty.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by nitwit005 »

superfrank wrote: post #434
coda_ wrote: post #359

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Your experience is not at all what I see out there. Most people I know only get new phones because their battery will no longer get them through the day. They hate having to set up a new phone when their old one is totally fine other than the battery. For the people I know that do upgrade their phones regularly, they typically want to give their old phone to someone who would love a usable phone, but can't afford a n…

> Most people I know only get new phones because their battery will no longer get them through the day I don't disagree with this, but I also think it's because the battery often dies around the time most people would consider upgrading anyway. The battery isn't the only reason people upgrade, it's just a forcing factor. If batteries normally last 3-5 years, I don't think we're going to start seeing most people keep…

We're going to start seeing people keep the phones longer and longer. It used to be people were amazed at the upgrade between iPhone versions, and now they struggle to identify a difference.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by vincnetas »

srmatto wrote: post #416
coda_ wrote: post #359

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Your experience is not at all what I see out there. Most people I know only get new phones because their battery will no longer get them through the day. They hate having to set up a new phone when their old one is totally fine other than the battery. For the people I know that do upgrade their phones regularly, they typically want to give their old phone to someone who would love a usable phone, but can't afford a n…

I can't speak to the experience with Android but Apple offers both in-store battery replacement or Mail-in battery replacement for $70-120 which to me seems very reasonable. Could it be cheaper? Sure, maybe I guess? But $70-120 is a lot less than a new phone. And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

how long are you willing to be without your phone? banking apps, public transit tickets, calls, messages, digital signatures. this is luxury not many can afford these days to be offline for days.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by halostatue »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #451
srmatto wrote: post #416

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I can't speak to the experience with Android but Apple offers both in-store battery replacement or Mail-in battery replacement for $70-120 which to me seems very reasonable. Could it be cheaper? Sure, maybe I guess? But $70-120 is a lot less than a new phone. And this way we don't need to compromise the shell of the phone with seams and things that can fail. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

The battery costs $7-$12 to produce and ship to your location, so kind of strange to say $70-$120 is cheap. It's a philosophical thing, sure. But the EU is taking the approach that businesses should make honest money by selling quality products, not through consumer-hostile practices like inflating the cost of spare parts + labour for fixing stuff. In the past our family has had several Android phones where the batte…

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by vincnetas »

loeber wrote: post #462

I worry that this ends up, like other EU consumer-protection regulation, as an own goal. - The cheapest phones available in the EU (and purchasable online) all have glued-in batteries, not swappable ones. Forcing consumers to use phones with swappable batteries may just mean that the bottom of the market disappears, and consumers will be left paying more for their phones. And would they rather pay less or have swappa…

... other EU consumer-protection regulation ...

like unified charging cable, free EU roaming or intercountry bank payments that are instant and almost free, air travel protections?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by anonymars »

nitwit005 wrote: post #475
superfrank wrote: post #434

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> Most people I know only get new phones because their battery will no longer get them through the day I don't disagree with this, but I also think it's because the battery often dies around the time most people would consider upgrading anyway. The battery isn't the only reason people upgrade, it's just a forcing factor. If batteries normally last 3-5 years, I don't think we're going to start seeing most people keep…

We're going to start seeing people keep the phones longer and longer. It used to be people were amazed at the upgrade between iPhone versions, and now they struggle to identify a difference.

For Android this also runs into the problem of security/OS update support
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