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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Accessed via OpenRouter, this one decided to wrap the SVG pelican in HTML with controls for the animation speed: https://gisthost.github.io/?ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669e94... Transcript and HTML here: https://gist.github.com/simonw/ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669...

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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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The American models also censor a lot of scientific and political views though.

Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

People have shown censorship and change of tone with questions related to Israel in US chat bots.

For the record, none of this bothers me. Will I ever discuss with an LLM Tianeman square? Nope. How about Israel? Nope.

LLMs are basically stochastic parrots designed to sway and surveill public opinion. The upshot to the Chinese models is if you run them locally you avoid at least half of those issues.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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I pray the benchmark figures are true so I can stop paying Anthropic after screwing me over this quarter by dumbing down their models, making usage quotas ridiculously small, and demanding KYC paperwork.

Absolutely. Thing is, I'd actually rather take a worse model than Anthropic, so long as it's consistent. Like, a model that can successfully do well for 80% of tasks is much better than Anthropic that some days will be 90% other 60%.

When you have a consistent model, you can incorporate fixes/prompts into your workflow to make it behave better. But this, always having to guess if Anthropic has quantised the model today, wastes so much time and effort.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Running it through opencode to their API and... it definitely seems like it's "overthinking" -- watching the thought process, it's been going for pages and pages and pages diagnosing and "thinking" things through... without doing anything. Sitting at 50k+ output tokens used now just going in thought circles, complete analysis paralysis. Might be a configuration or prompt issue. I guess I'll wait and see, but I can't…

Had the same experience using it for a refactor of a 3k LOC monolith via the Pi harness and OpenRouter. After burning through $8 worth of tokens it left the code in a broken state, the "thoughts" were full of loops where it would edit the monolith, then refer back to the original file, not finding it and then overwriting its changes with "git checkout --"

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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The American models also censor a lot of scientific and political views though.

Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt

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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Kimi has their own subscription that works basically the same as all the others. https://www.kimi.com/code

At $19/month, hard to see why I want to use Kimi over Claude.

Because Opus on $20 CC is a joke. The $19 plan on Kimi has actually workable usage limits.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Accessed via OpenRouter, this one decided to wrap the SVG pelican in HTML with controls for the animation speed: https://gisthost.github.io/?ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669e94... Transcript and HTML here: https://gist.github.com/simonw/ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669...

Too bad they didn't put equal effort into the pelican's legs and feet. Left leg paralyzed and not moving, and right ankle flipping around in alarming fashion!

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

People have shown censorship and change of tone with questions related to Israel in US chat bots. For the record, none of this bothers me. Will I ever discuss with an LLM Tianeman square? Nope. How about Israel? Nope. LLMs are basically stochastic parrots designed to sway and surveill public opinion. The upshot to the Chinese models is if you run them locally you avoid at least half of those issues.

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