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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by anana_ »

cedws wrote: post #129
game_the0ry wrote: post #27

There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

I wonder if there's a strategy behind all of this on China's side. I know the CCP uses a direct hand in many affairs in China, but is there an actual coordinated effort to compete with, or sabotage the West?

Hypothesizing here, but maybe the idea is sort of a form of technological/economic warfare? Releasing performance equivalent yet more cost efficient open weight models should in theory drive the cost of inference down everywhere.

This I assume will make it more difficult for US AI labs to turn a profit, which might make investors question their sky high valuations.

Any sort of melt down in the AI sector would almost certainly spread to the wider US market.

In contrast, in China, most of the funding for AI is coming directly from the government, so it's unlikely the same capital flight scenario would happen.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by fg137 »

wolttam wrote: post #145
candl wrote: post #83

Are there any coding plans for this? (aka no token limit, just api call limit). Recently my account failed to be billed for GLM on z.ai and my subscription expired because of this... the pricing for GLM went through the roof in recent months, though...

Kimi has their own subscription that works basically the same as all the others. https://www.kimi.com/code

At $19/month, hard to see why I want to use Kimi over Claude.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by ozgune »

game_the0ry wrote: post #27

There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

This update makes Kimi K2.6 the strongest open multimodal AI model. (No affiliation with Kimi.)

Here's the aggregated AI benchmark comparison for K2.6 vs Opus 4.6 (max effort).

- Agentic: Kimi wins 5. Opus wins 5.

- Coding: Kimi wins 5. Opus wins 1.

- Reasoning & knowledge: Kimi wins 1. Opus wins 4.

- Vision: Kimi wins 9. Opus wins 0.

Please note that the model publisher chooses their benchmarks, so there's a bias here. Most coding and reasoning & knowledge benchmarks in their list are pretty standard though.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by pheggs »

motoboi wrote: post #7
nickandbro wrote: post #3

Wow, if the benchmarks checkout with the vibes, this could almost be like a Deepseek moment with Chinese AI now being neck and neck with SOTA US lab made models

With the previous generation? Yes. With 10T mythos-level models? Not even close.

mythos is a mythos

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by walthamstow »

hn8726 wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #53

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It's a great filter for people who take things far too seriously

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by [deleted] »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #138
sigmoid10 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, you won't hear about Tiananmen square from this model. It flat out refuses to answer if pushed directly. It's also pretty wild how far they go to censor it during inference on the API, because it can easily access any withheld or missing info from training data via tool calls. It even starts happily writing an answer based on web search when asked indirectly, only to get culled completely once some censorship…

The American models also censor a lot of scientific and political views though.

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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by bachmeier »

cedws wrote: post #129
game_the0ry wrote: post #27

There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

I wonder if there's a strategy behind all of this on China's side. I know the CCP uses a direct hand in many affairs in China, but is there an actual coordinated effort to compete with, or sabotage the West?

Seems obvious to me that China would not want to give the AI market to US companies. You don't even need anything like an attempt to "sabotage the West". If I were them (the companies or the government) I'd be very hesitant to let US companies dominate this space. Especially companies that close to the current US administration.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by Strom »

hn8726 wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #53

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It's tradition at this point. Based on the upvotes the comment receives, it looks like many readers find value in it.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by osti »

zozbot234 wrote: post #63
osti wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this one is only about 600GB VRAM usage, so it could fit on two mac studios with 512GB vram each. That would have costed (albeit no longer available) something like less than 20k.

You could run it with SSD offload, earlier experiments with Kimi 2.5 on M5 hardware had it running at 2 tok/s. K2.6 has a similar amount of total and active parameters.

Yeah... I would definitely call 2t/s unusable. For simple chats, I'd want at least 15 t/s. For agentic coding (which this model is advertised for), I'd want good prefill performance as well.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by osti »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #43
osti wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this one is only about 600GB VRAM usage, so it could fit on two mac studios with 512GB vram each. That would have costed (albeit no longer available) something like less than 20k.

Yeah, but that's personal use at best, not much agentic anything happening on that hardware. Macs are great for small models at small-medium context lengths, but at > 64k (something very common with agentic usage) it struggles and slows down a lot. The ~100k hardware is suitable for multi-user, small team usage. That's what you'd use for actual work in reasonable timeframes. For personal use, sure macs could work.

True, but I think for local models, we are mostly considering personal usage.
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