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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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If only their API wasn't tied to a Google or phone login...

Why use "their API"? It is an open model, use any provider on OpenRouter

Because sometimes (a lot of the time in my experience) third-party providers and inference engines fail to implement the model correctly in ways that are sometimes very subtle and not obvious.

Deepinfra for example is not preserving thinking correctly for GLM5.1, even though they are for GLM5. This is one of the more obvious issues that crop up.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Accessed via OpenRouter, this one decided to wrap the SVG pelican in HTML with controls for the animation speed: https://gisthost.github.io/?ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669e94... Transcript and HTML here: https://gist.github.com/simonw/ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669...

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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

It's only humorous if you live in an American bubble. Knowledge sharing has always been a part of Chinese culture. Only Americans try to make it proprietary and monetize it.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Accessed via OpenRouter, this one decided to wrap the SVG pelican in HTML with controls for the animation speed: https://gisthost.github.io/?ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669e94... Transcript and HTML here: https://gist.github.com/simonw/ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669...

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I, for one, find it entertaining.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

#155

If only their API wasn't tied to a Google or phone login...

If it's open then there will be multiple providers. I see it is on OpenRouter now.

I'm going to experiment with this, but unless it's insanely more efficient in token usage than anything else I've tried, the only way to keep costs more or less acceptable is through a subscription.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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I dont think thats right, the models and the gpus are the means of production. in capitalism the people with the capital get the profit, not the people who do the work. however, workers are said to benefit too through their salary, just less so

The reason regular-capitalism worked is that all production used to depend on workers bottlenecking the free flow of capital by demanding salaries in exchange for their labor. Now that we've removed that obstacle, capitalism demands workers seize the means of production in order to maintain the status quo. Hence, supercapitalism.

workers seizing the means of production is by definition socialism and not capitalism though, that's the whole idea behind socialism

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Still, you won't hear about Tiananmen square from this model. It flat out refuses to answer if pushed directly. It's also pretty wild how far they go to censor it during inference on the API, because it can easily access any withheld or missing info from training data via tool calls. It even starts happily writing an answer based on web search when asked indirectly, only to get culled completely once some censorship…

The American models also censor a lot of scientific and political views though.

Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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There is some humor in the fact that china (of all countries) is pioneering possibly the world's most important tech via open source, while we (US) are doing the exact opposite.

This is not in antithesis. My limited personal experience is that I wrote code under OSS licenses primarily because of my past communist believes and current left-wing and redistribution of wealth point of view. This is not to provide the simple equation of: communist China is not interested in money, but also is hard to believe that there is no cultural connection among those things. Single Chine persons want to win…

The strings attached by the US to deep partnerships are things like trade/commerce, militarily mutual advantages (bases on euro soil from which we will help protect you), not to mention the close cultural and ancestral ties we share.

The strings attached by the Chinese govt to deep partnerships are not so benign.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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But China is not communist event though the rulling party the word in its name.

what makes you think that china ever gave up its communist goals? I personally see that everything they do aims towards that goal. From the one child policy, the huge amounts of empty apartments they build, the stuff they produce for almost free, the fishing.. open sourcing the models perfectly fits that culture too, it's the means of production

The one-child policy died a long time ago. Also, the accumulation of wealth by connected politicians and businesspeople flies in the face of what communism is supposed to stand for.

There is a reason real estate values in popular cities has skyrocketed, and it’s not due to the locals getting wealthier. It’s where Chinese and other oligarchs put their ill-gotten wealth (well, besides Bitcoin).

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think thats right, the models and the gpus are the means of production. in capitalism the people with the capital get the profit, not the people who do the work. however, workers are said to benefit too through their salary, just less so

The reason regular-capitalism worked is that all production used to depend on workers bottlenecking the free flow of capital by demanding salaries in exchange for their labor. Now that we've removed that obstacle, capitalism demands workers seize the means of production in order to maintain the status quo. Hence, supercapitalism.

regular capitalism works but now that the means of production are not factories, the workers have to become more entrepreneurial. Then they will control their destinies.
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