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Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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IMO nobody was paying for magic compute. they're paying to not touch ten years of glue. if agents eat that glue, the moat gets thin fast.

Don’t forget staples and the tape too. LLMs have a weakness for paperclips, hope we don’t end up on that path

There's an "Operation Paperclip" joke hidden in here somewhere.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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I think the parent has a point. For how many other accomplishments is the tool framed as the responsible party? We don't say "cranes built the skyscraper", people did. Why do we shift accountability when it comes to AI?

If you vaguely describe to the crane what you want built, and it builds it, then I'd say the crane built it.

Except that's probably not what happened for the comment we're replying to, and that's exactly the point...

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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I wondered the same! FWIW I'm currently migrating from managed postgres to self-managed on hetzner with [autobase]( https://autobase.tech/ ). Though of course for high availability it requires more than one server.

Beware of Hetzner Cloud volumes, they're unusable for a database, they're too slow. I'm not sure what workloads people run on Hetzner but the low-performance volumes and unreliable load balancers don't seem like a good fit for real production stuff with traffic.

How slow is “too slow”? Do you happen to have any benchmark?

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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Beware of Hetzner Cloud volumes, they're unusable for a database, they're too slow. I'm not sure what workloads people run on Hetzner but the low-performance volumes and unreliable load balancers don't seem like a good fit for real production stuff with traffic.

How slow is “too slow”? Do you happen to have any benchmark?

I've run some benchmarks a couple years ago, I don't have them at hand unfortunately but off the top of my mind, seqread 4k produced around 1500 IOPS while seqwrite was like a third of that. The practical performance was abysmal, I moved PostgreSQL storage to a volume and it was very noticeably slower just by browsing the web app (compared to NVMe SSD storage).

For comparison, I'm now using UpCloud which uses network-attached storage for all volumes and easily hits 10k IOPS (up to 100k with some tuning).

I certainly may have missed something while testing this so I'm happy if someone else wants to contribute and correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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It's when they sniff the glue, then things get wild.

It's been like 90% glue since perl took over.

Glue: the dark matter of software

https://blog.metaobject.com/2021/06/glue-dark-matter-of-soft...

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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post #291

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This used to be true, but GCP forced their hand in January of 2024 with https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/networking/eliminatin... AWS matched a few months later: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/free-data-transfer-out-to-i... I'm not trying to convince you to stay (I work for neither anymore!), just wanted to note that you can technically request a waiver. I'm not sure how this works in practice though. Like, i…

Have you tried to use the DTO? I did. They make you fill in a form saying you'll migrate all services (despite the blog post saying that isn't necessary), and then they take up to 12 weeks to make a decision. In my case they rejected it on a formality after 2 weeks and said to try again (the timer starts again). So in my case that would have been 14 weeks plus the time to migrate away. The egress costs are equivalent…

If you're in the EU and subject to the law, it might be easier to just transfer the data out and then sue them to get your money back.

Re: Migrating from DigitalOcean to Hetzner

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This used to be true, but GCP forced their hand in January of 2024 with https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/networking/eliminatin... AWS matched a few months later: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/free-data-transfer-out-to-i... I'm not trying to convince you to stay (I work for neither anymore!), just wanted to note that you can technically request a waiver. I'm not sure how this works in practice though. Like, i…

AWS DTO is a complete lie. This doesn't actually work as advertised. I attempted free data egress from AWS in December. It took them 31 days to respond to my initial ticket. At which point they gave me a multi-page questionnaire to determine eligibility and they also told me I could not begin DTO until 60 days had passed from approval of the questionnaire. By the time I was allowed "free egress" my cumulative S3 stor…

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