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Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by zelphirkalt »

robertjpayne wrote: post #16
zelphirkalt wrote: post #8

I don't have the numbers of other manufacturers, but 30% doesn't sound like outrageously much to me. That still is an overwhelming majority of non-recycled materials. An improvement is good, but 30% is nothing worth writing home about.

The shipped nearly 250 million phones last year plus millions of other products. Having 30% recycled materials across a production line of that scale is massively impressive if you ask me.

Why is the number of phones of relevance? If anything, wouldn't a higher number of shipped phones just mean, that recycling becomes more worth it? Other than that, I don't see how that number plays a role. It is what is inside each of those phones, that matters, I think.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by Schiendelman »

jamesnights wrote: post #68
orwin wrote: post #57

I know this is mostly marketing, but I appreciate the discourse and effort they seems to put into this. Companies are a poor choice for governance/directions to avoid a tragedy of the common anyway, the answers should come from a governmental body, so any unforced effort put on recycling by companies are good.

this I absolutely want to see them embrace repairability and such, but kudos to them for the work they're doing and the progress they've made. They make it look good, that's good. I'd hate to see them stop. It's not like they're a non-profit. If anything, I want more companies to do what they're doing (and better, duh), but most companies won't because they have no incentive (Apple can do it because $$$). If I want t…

Based on what we've seen in the last couple of years, they're doing very well on repairability!

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by Schiendelman »

shuntress wrote: post #31
dangus wrote: post #26

Framework is the industry benchmark. To me, anyone doing anything less than full modularity doesn’t actually care about e-waste. Framework has proven that it is possible to make a great machine that is modular as well as forward and backward compatible, and they’ve done it with a comparatively tiny group of employees. Same deal with Fairphone. Apple can brag about sustainability the day they ship a phone, wireless ea…

Phone screens dont need to be user-swappable but apple should be forced to sell each module (screen, frame, camera board, main board, etc).

Please be careful not to argue to "force" a company to do something they already do...

https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by tzs »

sanitycheck wrote: post #37
latexr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't replace the battery yourself Not true at all. I have a close friend (not an electronics or programming nerd in any way) which has replaced the battery (and a screen) on multiple iPhones with nothing more than iFixit instructions. > you can't safely expand their life Again, not true. See above. > with so many untaped opportunities. Which is obvious I agree with, since I said they absolutely should be bette…

They didn't say "nobody can replace the battery themselves", and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer". Relative to items with replaceable batteries (a TV remote control, a camera, a pre-iPhone mobile phone), the batteries are extremely hard to replace. The batteries are also not safe to replace, relative to items with replaceable batteries. There is a very low chance of me accidentally damagin…

A "normal consumer", at least in most of the US, can take their iPhone to an Apple store, a Best Buy, and probably several small phone repair services that have small stores or kiosks in a nearby mall or inside a Walmart.

From an environmental point of view it doesn't matter if you do the repair yourself or you have it done by someone else.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by choo-t »

tzs wrote: post #74
sanitycheck wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't say "nobody can replace the battery themselves", and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer". Relative to items with replaceable batteries (a TV remote control, a camera, a pre-iPhone mobile phone), the batteries are extremely hard to replace. The batteries are also not safe to replace, relative to items with replaceable batteries. There is a very low chance of me accidentally damagin…

A "normal consumer", at least in most of the US, can take their iPhone to an Apple store, a Best Buy, and probably several small phone repair services that have small stores or kiosks in a nearby mall or inside a Walmart. From an environmental point of view it doesn't matter if you do the repair yourself or you have it done by someone else.

> From an environmental point of view it doesn't matter if you do the repair yourself or you have it done by someone else.

The added cost and friction will de facto make it less repairable.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by tasoeur »

changoplatanero wrote: post #43
tasoeur wrote: post #9

I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…

You know the reason why you get five cents back for a recycling a glass bottle, right? It’s because the government taxed you when you bought the drink and now you’re getting the tax rebate for recycling It’s not related to the value of the materials.

I actually didn’t know! Thanks for pointing that out.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by dangus »

Schiendelman wrote: post #73
shuntress wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone screens dont need to be user-swappable but apple should be forced to sell each module (screen, frame, camera board, main board, etc).

Please be careful not to argue to "force" a company to do something they already do... https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair

Awesome that you can finally buy some parts (Apple was years late in this compared to competitors).

Have you seen how insane the rental tool kit is?

https://selfservicerepair.com/en-US/tool-kit-rental

Here’s a video showing how the battery replacement process works:

https://youtu.be/3P1kEy--d9E

Heres the part list for the iPhone 17 Pro tool kit:

Case 1

661-17619 - Heated Display Removal Fixture

661-52832 - Heated Display Pocket

Case 2

923-02657 - Battery Press

661-08916 - Display Press

923-01092 - Adhesive Cutter

922-5065 - Nylon Probe (Black Stick)

923-0248 - Black Torque Driver Kit

923-00738 - Gray Torque Driver

923-00105 - Green Torque Driver

923-0448 - Blue Torque Driver

923-01290 - Micro Stix® Bit

923-02066 - Super screw Bit

923-02995 - Adjustable torque driver (10-34 Ncm)

923-09176 - Adhesive Removal Tool

923-09177 - JCIS Bit for Adjustable Torque Driver

923-09962 - Superscrew Bit for Adjustable Torque Driver

923-08085 - Teal Torque Driver

923-08131 - Orange Torque Driver

923-07594 - Torx Plus 4IP 25mm bit

923-09721 - Housing Protective Cover

923-10961 - Display Protective Cover

923-12855 - Repair Tray

923-13313 - Back Protective Cover Magnetizer

ESD-safe tweezers

Case 3

923-13470 - Logic Board Dock

923-12856 - Logic Board Dock Insert (mmWave)

923-13465 - Logic Board Dock Insert (non-mmWave)

This is not “self service,” this is service that requires professional level tools and skills masquerading as self-service to satisfy regulators.

I think that Apple wants it to be this complicated so they can tell regulators “See? We complied but it’s totally insane, we told you users can’t possibly repair their own equipment!”

Apple also has a long history of making repair difficult for third party repair companies.

Meanwhile, the battery replacement process for the Fairphone only requires one tool:

https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/245900296211...

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by bzzzt »

hnhg wrote: post #48
bzzzt wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider soldered-in RAM a reliability win. It's more shock resistant and a connector that doesn't exist can not fail.

Was that ever an issue for you?

First advice when confronted with memory or stability issues was 'reseat the DIMMs' for years.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by shuntress »

Schiendelman wrote: post #73
shuntress wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone screens dont need to be user-swappable but apple should be forced to sell each module (screen, frame, camera board, main board, etc).

Please be careful not to argue to "force" a company to do something they already do... https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair

First of all, they only do that because they are already forced.

Second of all, have you actually looked at the process? It is very obviously onerous in ways that could be avoided.

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