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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#101

Post by rothific »

bakugo wrote: post #41
anildash wrote: post #38

Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

> Thunderbird is revenue positive Is that why I'm met with a splash screen asking me to donate every time I start Thunderbird? Is this another Wikipedia situation?

I think that wasn't phrased well- it's "revenue" positive meaning donation money covers more than the expenses

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#102

Post by rothific »

einr wrote: post #24

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Hi, I'm on team that worked on this. No it's not vibe coded. We do pretty intense code review of every PR. It looks like the number you're seeing is including lock files and artifacts that are not part of the core coverage.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#103

Post by ryukoposting »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #81

For anyone reading this that has worked on the launch of this new product (or the many others of their ilk throughout the years) under the various Mozilla orgs, I mean no disrespect, however I feel it's important to not mince words these days.. I implore ANYONE at Mozilla org to please, please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. That alone…

> already painful and readily apparent, stagnation of your browser

What's wrong with Firefox? There are several things Firefox does that it's annoying to live without in other browsers (video pop-outs, competent ad blocking, etc). Is there some core feature that's missing? I'm subjected to Edge at work and I couldn't tell you a single thing it does that I'd want FF to do.

> and our standards bodies as entities distinct from corporations

Ok, I buy that.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#104

Post by bakugo »

rothific wrote: post #100
bakugo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they're taking money donated towards Thunderbird development and spending it on random unrelated AI slop ideas that nobody asked for. You really don't see anything wrong with that? Surely you can agree that when you open Thunderbird and are met with requests for donations, if you chose to donate, you'd expect that money to be invested in Thunderbird development, and not 10M Claude tokens to vibe code Mozilla's la…

Stop spreading misinformation, it's funded by grant money https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbolt/blob/main/docs/fa...

Ah yes, a grant from Mozilla, to Mozilla.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#106

Post by rothific »

CivBase wrote: post #96
drzaiusx11 wrote: post #81

For anyone reading this that has worked on the launch of this new product (or the many others of their ilk throughout the years) under the various Mozilla orgs, I mean no disrespect, however I feel it's important to not mince words these days.. I implore ANYONE at Mozilla org to please, please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. That alone…

I'm perfectly fine with Mozilla working on other things as long as those things are profitable or at least self-funded. As long as they are not leeching donated resources from Firefox or Thunderbird, I don't see a problem. However, I wish I had some kind of assurance that the money I donate to Mozilla would go to Firefox and not some other project like this.

Thunderbolt was funded from a grant, not donations.

https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbolt/blob/main/docs/fa...

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#107

Post by EastSquare »

benoau wrote: post #11
wolvoleo wrote: post #5

Curious name choice, that's clearly encumbered by other trademarks. Also, my impression is: yay another AI front-end. What does this one differently that the other thirteen in a dozen don't?

> What does this one differently that the other thirteen in a dozen don't? Mozilla's a lot more trustworthy with privacy and data, and they're unlikely to sell the project to someone who only wants to stuff it full of malware/adware/crypto stuff - or do it themselves.

I worked in Mozilla previously for like 5-6 years. I think the supporter of Mozilla is a lot more trustworthy with privacy and data, but not Mozilla itself... I think they claiming that they do this and do that, but actually speak louder than action. My personal takes from the upper management is also not that good.

If you were not working with Mozilla Asian area, you know far too less. They had a browser in China that redirect to different website for profit before every connection and some affiliation. By doing so, is it privacy or not? Oh, look at Mozilla Japan volunteers, they shut everything up because things went wrong.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#108

Post by Barbing »

Did I seriously click on a Mozilla product and see AI? You guys at Mozilla read the Internet right?

Doesn’t this have to be done under another name to prevent massive company-killing pushback?

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

#109

Post by Onavo »

ryukoposting wrote: post #103
drzaiusx11 wrote: post #81

For anyone reading this that has worked on the launch of this new product (or the many others of their ilk throughout the years) under the various Mozilla orgs, I mean no disrespect, however I feel it's important to not mince words these days.. I implore ANYONE at Mozilla org to please, please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. That alone…

> already painful and readily apparent, stagnation of your browser What's wrong with Firefox? There are several things Firefox does that it's annoying to live without in other browsers (video pop-outs, competent ad blocking, etc). Is there some core feature that's missing? I'm subjected to Edge at work and I couldn't tell you a single thing it does that I'd want FF to do. > and our standards bodies as entities distin…

It's slow. It almost always trails Safari and Chrome on most benchmarks.

See e.g.

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1ljns9o/freshly_re...

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