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Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by shuntress »

dangus wrote: post #26

Framework is the industry benchmark. To me, anyone doing anything less than full modularity doesn’t actually care about e-waste. Framework has proven that it is possible to make a great machine that is modular as well as forward and backward compatible, and they’ve done it with a comparatively tiny group of employees. Same deal with Fairphone. Apple can brag about sustainability the day they ship a phone, wireless ea…

Phone screens dont need to be user-swappable but apple should be forced to sell each module (screen, frame, camera board, main board, etc).

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by latexr »

neya wrote: post #15
latexr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…

I'm confused. In the link you shared: iPhone Air - 7/10 (Provisional) iPhone 17 Pro - 7/10 (Provisional) Fairphone 6 - 10/10 HMD Fusion/Skyline - 9/10 > But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. Isn't that what the scores above tell (which I brought up in my original comment)? Plus, this is only for their smartphone line up. What about their headphones and other products? Airpods Pro Max is a 6/10, for exampl…

> I'm confused. In the link you shared

Also in the link I shared:

* Google Pixel 10: 6

* Nothing Phone 3: 3

* Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 7: 3

* Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge: 5 (Provisional)

And many more.

So clearly Apple does not “score the lowest”.

> Isn't that what the scores above tell

So no, it’s not what the above scores tell, because you were actively selective. If you scroll down the list in good faith (with is sorted from Newest to Oldest) what you see is that Apple is not the worst and has been getting better starting with the 15.

> Polite reminder that companies don't care about us if we love them or support them or not. Especially online.

You don’t have to tell me that, I’m an active critic of Tim Cook and the current state of Apple.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

I’m also pretty vocal about not shilling for corporations and billionaires which would sell your nuts in a heartbeat. But I do care about criticism being valid, because when it’s not people ignore the valid points.

Again, Apple should absolutely do better and so should other companies. But lets call them out on what they actually do (or don’t), false accusations don’t help.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by bzzzt »

Tade0 wrote: post #23
latexr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…

> But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. Apple pioneered some huge anti-repairability measures like e.g. soldered-in RAM. Wasn't always that way though. I recall repairing a late 2011 MBP, so contemporary to the first soldered MBAs. Really easy to work on, with the battery held in place with just two triangular screws. That was four years ago and the user is still using it.

I consider soldered-in RAM a reliability win. It's more shock resistant and a connector that doesn't exist can not fail.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by stouset »

alexandrehtrb wrote: post #19

How about stop making planned obsolence products? How about not charging outrageous prices when their computers need repair?

Apple products last longer, retain their value longer, and are supported longer than their peers virtually across the board.

AppleCare is extremely cheap and comprehensive. I have had one Apple product fail in at least fifteen years and it was replaced without hesitation. It’s been nearly a decade since I’ve had an iPhone screen crack from dropping, and that used to be a regular occurrence. And if I do, again, it’s covered under AppleCare.

There are many harsh criticisms to be leveled against the company. This is not one of them.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bdcravens wrote: post #27
latexr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…

In doing an "everyone knows" assessment, you should analyze iFixit scores over time, which is what reputation is built on, rather than a point in time. Additionally, we're talking about Apple as a whole, not just one product. They've had several Macbooks that had scores of 1/10, and the Airpods received a 0/10. Even a recent iPhone had its score reduced from a 7/10 down to a 4: https://www.ifixit.com/News/82493/we-ar…

Are there tradeoffs to repair-ability?

I have machine washed my Airpods multiple times and they still work, and I use them for 3+ years. Seems like a good enough product, based on the alternatives available in the market.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by sanitycheck »

latexr wrote: post #20
ezst wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not op but that's missing the forest for the tree. Those devices are not meant to be e-waste conscious at all, which is the undertone here: you can't replace the battery yourself, you can't expand storage when you need, you can't safely expand their life when they are outside of Apple support period because they are soft and hardware black boxes. Instead, you just buy anew. True, Apple is no more no less guilty of th…

> you can't replace the battery yourself Not true at all. I have a close friend (not an electronics or programming nerd in any way) which has replaced the battery (and a screen) on multiple iPhones with nothing more than iFixit instructions. > you can't safely expand their life Again, not true. See above. > with so many untaped opportunities. Which is obvious I agree with, since I said they absolutely should be bette…

They didn't say "nobody can replace the battery themselves", and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer". Relative to items with replaceable batteries (a TV remote control, a camera, a pre-iPhone mobile phone), the batteries are extremely hard to replace.

The batteries are also not safe to replace, relative to items with replaceable batteries. There is a very low chance of me accidentally damaging my TV remote control while replacing the batteries.

None of the information you're responding to is false, and it's perhaps worth asking yourself why you're here defending Apple.

There's an easier argument that is simply "But Samsung!".

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by ambicapter »

tasoeur wrote: post #9

I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…

> Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free

As opposed to what? trashing it? You'd rather throw your iPhone in the trash than just hand it to them when you're in the store already?

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by bombcar »

latexr wrote: post #7
evilduck wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They include their auditor's reports in their document, around page 100: https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr... Do you also distrust those?

> Do you also distrust those? I suspect the OP made a mistake and forgot the word “not” in “I'm accusing Apple of lying, but I'd like to get more context than” (otherwise the “but” makes little sense). I expect they are asking in good faith if there are audits, not accusing the auditors of being corrupt.

It really comes down to whether we trust Apple to do the work; auditors can be found that will certify anything you need even if not at the fraud levels of Arthur Anderson.

And this kind of thing can be hard to independently verify.

Given Apple’s track record I suspect they actually do care about this internally and spend the effort to make sure it is “real”.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by bombcar »

gautier_ wrote: post #24
robertjpayne wrote: post #18

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What other company has ever sold wireless earbuds with a replaceable battery?

Fairphone has the Fairbuds

They missed out on the massive trademark lawsuit over “Fairpods Pro”.
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