This sounds like classic greenwashing PR.
Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials
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#12Can we stop posting Apple's PR pieces here? Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability so this really means shit.
> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…
Not op but that's missing the forest for the tree. Those devices are not meant to be e-waste conscious at all, which is the undertone here: you can't replace the battery yourself, you can't expand storage when you need, you can't safely expand their life when they are outside of Apple support period because they are soft and hardware black boxes. Instead, you just buy anew.
True, Apple is no more no less guilty of this than the competition, but they are also not shifting the needle while pretending to do so, with so many untaped opportunities.
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#13This sounds like classic greenwashing PR.
From the company that popularized completely unrepairable earbuds with non-replaceable batteries.
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#14I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…
It’s not like recycling through other means is hard, is it?
I expect most of that 30% recycled material is from other sources than traded in devices.
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#15Can we stop posting Apple's PR pieces here? Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability so this really means shit.
> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…
I'm confused. In the link you shared:
iPhone Air - 7/10 (Provisional)
iPhone 17 Pro - 7/10 (Provisional)
Fairphone 6 - 10/10
HMD Fusion/Skyline - 9/10
> But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith.
Isn't that what the scores above tell (which I brought up in my original comment)?
Plus, this is only for their smartphone line up. What about their headphones and other products? Airpods Pro Max is a 6/10, for example:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/AirPods+Max+Teardown/139369
Polite reminder that companies don't care about us if we love them or support them or not. Especially online.
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#16I don't have the numbers of other manufacturers, but 30% doesn't sound like outrageously much to me. That still is an overwhelming majority of non-recycled materials. An improvement is good, but 30% is nothing worth writing home about.
The shipped nearly 250 million phones last year plus millions of other products. Having 30% recycled materials across a production line of that scale is massively impressive if you ask me.
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#17Does anyone know of a trustworthy third party that scrutinizes Apple's claims? I'm accusing Apple of lying, but I'd like to get more context than "100 percent recycled cobalt". That sounds great, but what about all the other metals? What does 'recycled' mean here, exactly? And so on.
Not sure if it's trustworthy, but they ran into trouble advertising this in Europe: https://9to5mac.com/2023/10/24/carbon-neutral-apple-watch-cl...
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#19How about stop making planned obsolence products? How about not charging outrageous prices when their computers need repair?
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> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…
Not op but that's missing the forest for the tree. Those devices are not meant to be e-waste conscious at all, which is the undertone here: you can't replace the battery yourself, you can't expand storage when you need, you can't safely expand their life when they are outside of Apple support period because they are soft and hardware black boxes. Instead, you just buy anew. True, Apple is no more no less guilty of th…
> you can't replace the battery yourself
Not true at all. I have a close friend (not an electronics or programming nerd in any way) which has replaced the battery (and a screen) on multiple iPhones with nothing more than iFixit instructions.
> you can't safely expand their life
Again, not true. See above.
> with so many untaped opportunities.
Which is obvious I agree with, since I said they absolutely should be better at repairability. But consider the dismissive tone of the original comment, which is justified with false information.
To give you an exaggerated example, let’s say someone is telling you about all the awful practices Nestlé engages in. All of them are true, but then they end with “and their CEO is literally Hitler, who survived and changed his face due to an agreement with the Beelzebub, and is going to control humanity through chocolate”. At that point most people would dismiss them as a nut job and ignore the other true valid points as fabrications too.
Which is why we should criticise, yes, but based on truth, not lies and rage bait.