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Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Serious question - there's a lot of fluff talking about Gas Town, but has Gas Town shipping something in public that can be evaluated without all of this surrounding hype and blogposting? At this point it should be clear that Gas Town has done something we can evaluate the value of.

> has Gas Town shipping something in public that can be evaluated without all of this surrounding hype and blogposting?

No.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Who closes the gate? Is it Claude itself after it runs the verification? Who makes sure the verification did in fact run?

I usually have Claude confirm with me but I've seen it close it if its a unit test that passed for example.

You can't trust it 100%. Sometimes it will just refuse to fix a compiler or lint warning (often saying "This was a pre-existing issue...") or write a trivial test that does nothing and always passes.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

#153
post #87

I'm pretty excited about agentic coding myself, but this does appear to be an extended ai-psychosis (i'm not super comfortable with this phrase, but it is becoming pretty recognisable). I think he's boxed himself in by continually layering more complexity on his approach, rather than stepping back and questioning the fundamentals or the overall direction. All of the steps Gas Town or Gas City etc are taking are towar…

> All of the steps Gas Town or Gas City etc are taking are towards reducing human oversight and control. This is profoundly misguided! I mostly agree with you other than this one sentence. Let's say you're building the literal antithesis of Gastown: an AI agent software specifically designed to be human reviewed and monitored. How to you make this as efficient as possible? Well, it's by ensuring high quality results…

It's really about granularity - when I'm building something there are parts of the system where I want very fine-grained control and oversight over what is built and how, and there are others where... it just doesn't really matter. What matters to who is contextual - a software architect tends to care about different things from a product manager for example. This is the idea of gradual specification - I should be able to defer some decisions to the AI and exercise full control over other aspects, but it's the humans that should be able to choose what level they want to work at.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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For "hacker" news, this group is reacting like its "labor" news. I get it - this will have an impact on the current ways of building software getting deprecated.

But this is genuinely cutting-edge, new paradigm of building software. Something that will iron it's kinks out, and potentially be the way of developing software in the new Era. That's worth some curious and exploratory discussion, rather than more comments about not being the "true way of software development".

(Sorry, was put off by the crab-pulling down discussion.)

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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I don't know if Gastown will work out. But it is quite a bold take. I am interested to see how it plays out. I suspect they will eventually roll back some of the stringent "no code reading" approach in favor of observability as the community grows.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

#156
post #58

Gas Town really feels not just vibe coded but also vibe designed. I looked into it, to see whether multi agent setups really made a difference, the entire design philosophy feels like it was « let’s add one more layer of agent and surely this time it will work » about 10 times in a row. So now you have agents of type mayor, polecats, witnesses, deacons, dogs etc plus a slew of Unneeded constructs with incomprehensibl…

> Ended up building my own thing that is 10x simpler, just a simple main agent you talk to, that can dispatch subagents, they all communicate, wake each other up and keep track of work through a simple CLI. No « refinery » or « wasteland » or « molecule » or « convoys » or « deacons » or … You won't get 10k stars and a blog post out of that. Obviously you need some Stoats who have Conferences with the Stump Lord to d…

I have no idea if this is a real thing or a joke, but it was hilarious! That’s where we are I guess

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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post #129
post #5

Serious question - there's a lot of fluff talking about Gas Town, but has Gas Town shipping something in public that can be evaluated without all of this surrounding hype and blogposting? At this point it should be clear that Gas Town has done something we can evaluate the value of.

>At this point it should be clear that Gas Town has done something we can evaluate the value of. I see this sentiment often, repeated a couple times in here, but I don't understand why on earth that would be the case. Gas Town was released a little over three months ago. It's an ongoing open-source experiment at the bleeding edge of vendor-agnostic multi-agent orchestration. I was using gastown for fire-and-forget pr…

> Gas Town was released a little over three months ago

Should be plenty of time for a 100x zero-shot vibe god.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

#158
post #87

I'm pretty excited about agentic coding myself, but this does appear to be an extended ai-psychosis (i'm not super comfortable with this phrase, but it is becoming pretty recognisable). I think he's boxed himself in by continually layering more complexity on his approach, rather than stepping back and questioning the fundamentals or the overall direction. All of the steps Gas Town or Gas City etc are taking are towar…

Building harnesses does seem like a task that's particularly conductive to psychosis. I've wondered if it's because there is no push-back; almost anything you try will be "right" in that your changes appear to make things happen. "Oh look I added a carpenter and now it's walking around and making notes about the scaffolding" So you get to stay in your flow state without reassessing if the concepts you are forming are ultimately meaningful.

Although I think the post also self-diagnoses some factors that also help:

  With the Gas Town Mayor, you feel like you’re operating at a special level, a VIP, above all the workers. You are talking to someone important: the mayor of a factory the size of a town. You have access to someone with resources, someone who gets you, someone who appreciates how busy you are.

  Working with regular coding agents just doesn’t give you that special feeling.

Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

#159
post #14

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Not yet... but me in 2020 telling you what the HN frontpage 2026 would look like you would have sent me to a mental institution, wouldn't you?

Same institution I’d send Steve today. The sanatorium from American Horror Story Asylum comes to mind. Dominique, nique, nique…

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Re: Gas Town: From Clown Show to v1.0

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Beads, his glorified CLI based work tracker, was over several hundred thousand lines of code, last I checked in January. Where do I even begin to mock that except at the source? That’s just absolute insanity.

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