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Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by asimovDev »

prescriptivist wrote: post #179
jonhohle wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the Grateful Dead would be referred to as a “live electronic dance band.” Assuming it’s a band most have heard of I was leaning toward Daft Punk, but maybe the Prodigy?

> The lead singer caught my eye and gave me a wide grin Daft Punk doesn't have a singer and unless it was a very early show they wouldn't have seen them smile. Most big beat shows wouldn't have a dedicated vocalist. I'd guess Underworld or Prodigy, but lean toward Underworld.

Daft Punk didn't have helmets in the 90s, did they?

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by dackdel »

tyrust wrote: post #75
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Great story, but how are you going to say all that but not link to the recording?

seek your soul and you will find the recordings

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by crashbunny »

Kind of loosely related to the article. Many years ago someone uploaded to youtube an old video of Neil Young going into a record store and finding a bootleg vinyl of one of his concerts for sale.

I think this is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdOITpaQvZI "This is a part from autobiographical film Neil made in 1972."

I found the video fascinating and thinking about how and who made these bootlegs is a fascinating mystery to me. It would have to someone in the industry with lots of contacts to get it made and distributed.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by ssl-3 »

wileydragonfly wrote: post #174
ssl-3 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got invited to see a NIN show recently, which was very kind of them. The process of actually getting in, post-invite, was a bit of a weird experience: Waiting around at the front of the venue, meeting some of his PR folks, walking all the way around the outside to go in the back door to get escorted in. At one point we were given some armbands so we could do what we wanted as if we were regular concert-goers and th…

He hasn’t done anything new since Pretty Hate Machine. Which was a hell of a debut but he’s been recycling the chord progressions for almost 40 years. A fun game is “how many lines can he go without saying I or me?” I do not encourage making a drinking game out of it.

I mostly wrote a story about a concert. It was an amazing concert. I also wrote a missive about banning Trent Reznor from IRC three decades ago.

At the show, the music was good (of course it was -- I like NIN and have for decades), but the musicality of its performance was also very good. They all played it both with expert precision, and a great deal of passion. The endurance was staggering. And the technicals -- the management of different spaces (3 stages!), the PA, the lights, effects, video projections -- they all combined to alter my perspective of what is possible in a temporary, physical performance space.

I love going to concerts, big and small. This was my 4th NIN show. I've never been to any concert like that before.

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Anyway, you've already elected to change channels. So let's change channels.

You think Pretty Hate Machine was the embodiment of everything that Trent Reznor ever learned, or performed?

How does Broken fit into that picture? (It's very different, to me.)

How does the period-correct Purest Feeling fit into it? (It's very similar, but the horns are a bit much.)

How do the various Ghosts albums fit in there?

How do the rest of them?

What fits together, and what falls apart?

Please elaborate. While I'm not a musician and I don't have the background to dissect it myself, I do appreciate the elaborations of technical makeups of music when those who can take it apart elect to do so.

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The dude, Trent Reznor, has been publishing recorded music since 1989. I find the claim that it's all the same to be pretty extraordinary. I think that satisfaction of that claim would require extraordinary proof. (And I welcome that proof.)

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by prescriptivist »

asimovDev wrote: post #181
prescriptivist wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The lead singer caught my eye and gave me a wide grin Daft Punk doesn't have a singer and unless it was a very early show they wouldn't have seen them smile. Most big beat shows wouldn't have a dedicated vocalist. I'd guess Underworld or Prodigy, but lean toward Underworld.

Daft Punk didn't have helmets in the 90s, did they?

Correct, seems like my memory failed me on that one.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by lostlogin »

whompyjaw wrote: post #70
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

What is a "punter"?

The one pushing the boat along.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by lostlogin »

tyrust wrote: post #75
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Great story, but how are you going to say all that but not link to the recording?

Or the band?

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by Thlom »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #110
lokar wrote: post #18

Tangent idea: musicians should record every live show, and then put it on a streaming service, only for people who bought tickets to the show (possibly for an extra small fee on the ticket). Extra revenue for the artist, and a cool benefit for the fan (the liver performance you attended).

I wonder if a band could put together a live stream concert published to a private stream sent to a movie theater. A bunch of fans of the band could get together and have the concert experience with fellow fans but not have to pay as much as an in-person concert. Movie theaters would have another way to get people in the door.

There was a push in the cinema industry a few years back to get more into live events, concerts and stuff like that, but seems like it didn't really take off like they wanted.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by anjel »

switz wrote: post #156
wahern wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still technically illegal. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a tacit Don't Ask, Don't Tell understanding in the community between artists and recorders. Even when individual recorders are known by the community and artists, keeping the pretense of anonymity might be important to preserving and protecting the scene.

It's really up to the artists. Many are surprisingly cool with it, though there are a few notable exceptions (i.e. Prince). Sounds like the artist in this particlar case gave their blessing. Many bands (like GD and Phish) specifically note in their rider that venues must allow and provide space for tapers to bring their rigs in. A sibling comment in this thread pointed out my project Relisten[0], which now has over 4…

Prince had intense business instincts, not just for becoming a vertically integrated multi-instrumental composer manager, bandleader and of course prodigious artist. Its rumored that to ruin the market demand for his bootleggers, Prince started his own sockpuppet bootleg label, that eventually released over four hundred CDs of content. Concerts, studio alternate cuts, and of course After-Shows. That label is curiously named Sabotage.

Whether the rumor is true or not, I can't confirm. What I can tell you is it's an amazing soundboard quality collection of his work product that I'm still not all the way through exploring after it briefly circulated among fans for a brief moment shortly after his death.

1. http://tonio.lagoule.free.fr/prince_BootsCats_Sab.htm

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by samplatt »

jonhohle wrote: post #171
samplatt wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the story there's a good chance it'll be one of these recordings: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead

I don’t think the Grateful Dead would be referred to as a “live electronic dance band.” Assuming it’s a band most have heard of I was leaning toward Daft Punk, but maybe the Prodigy?

Ah, missed that bit entirely, was going mostly on the story of being front and centre and being smiled at - it's an apocryphal story for TGD.

Now I"m thinking, the mention of digital formats doesn't make much sense either ^_^;

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