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Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by quietbritishjim »

rolph wrote: post #123
gib444 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's incorrect. In British slang it means a customer/patron. In this context a fan/concertgoer (Source: I'm British)

interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar? i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent. i can see how they could merge, considering a colloquial "punt" [rugby/footall] as a maneuver with adverse risk.

Punt is a long gamble, most often used as part of "take a punt". As you say, probably related to football usage.

I don't know if punter (as in, customer) is related. I suppose buying something is always a bit of a punt to some extent.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by wahern »

tyrust wrote: post #75
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Great story, but how are you going to say all that but not link to the recording?

It's still technically illegal. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a tacit Don't Ask, Don't Tell understanding in the community between artists and recorders. Even when individual recorders are known by the community and artists, keeping the pretense of anonymity might be important to preserving and protecting the scene.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by rcxdude »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #141
rolph wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar? i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent. i can see how they could merge, considering a colloquial "punt" [rugby/footall] as a maneuver with adverse risk.

Punt is a long gamble, most often used as part of "take a punt". As you say, probably related to football usage. I don't know if punter (as in, customer) is related. I suppose buying something is always a bit of a punt to some extent.

They are related, it seems. punter being gambler but evolving into general 'customer/member of the public' over time.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by anjel »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #117
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Great project, but it has an absolutely TERRIBLE UI. Please, if you love audio enough to put in the 95% of effort to get the files to the web, don't let everyone down with an atrocious interface to actually access those files. Please, get someone who knows about usability or building web UIs to help you!

Archive.org always made puzzling UI choices, not really sure why, but its a long running trend thats not likely to change. Such that for larger Band repos, fans stepped in and made their own front ends:

1. https://www.gdao.org/

2. https://dlr2008.wordpress.com/2014/06/15/on-public-access-to...

3. https://relisten.net/grateful-dead

Clearly this tape stash is worthy of similar treatment. Also of note for live music fans and collectors: Legendary Long Island Radio Station WLIR Live Show Archives:

https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22WLIR%22

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by __fst__ »

Just browsed through the available Audio collections on the Internet Archive. There's probably more music available than I can listen in my lifetime. No need for audio subscriptions for me. Its fun to browse and explore and I like the sequential listening experience of the LPs.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by anjel »

Projectiboga wrote: post #85
CoffeeOnWrite wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IA makes the most sense in the spirit of preservation. Etree ( https://www.etree.org/ ) is the longest running torrent site for tapes. It looks like only about 5% of the hundred thousand torrents have any seeders at all. Not sure how reliable requesting a seed is. I’d expect long tail stuff to get “effectively lost”. Versus IA whose purpose and funding is preservation, in addition to sharing.

This is a fun area, as the DMCA, for its flaws included a loophole for non-commercial distribution of live concert recordings. The only requirement is that it isn't an exact copy of a commercial release. I am not sure about the exact standards, as live albums often aren't the entire concert. Here are some other sites where people share these tapes. http://www.thetradersden.org/ https://sugarmegs.org/ http://www.dimea…

Sugarmegs is up and running for 30+ years now. I knew the guy who started it back then and he was a Sony employee who "inherited" a T-1 connection that Sony forgot they were paying for... At least for the first few years, when content streams were now profoundly ancient real audio files.

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by block_dagger »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #117
rigonkulous wrote: post #50

I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with t…

Great project, but it has an absolutely TERRIBLE UI. Please, if you love audio enough to put in the 95% of effort to get the files to the web, don't let everyone down with an atrocious interface to actually access those files. Please, get someone who knows about usability or building web UIs to help you!

Thats why projects like Relisten exist

https://relisten.net

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by block_dagger »

hardtke wrote: post #124
lokar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That looks like just a subscription thing, right? I saw David Byrne last week, during checkout for the ticket I would probably have paid an extra $10 to get access to the recording of that show.

Phish gives people a code that lets them access the show they attend on livephish.com without a subscription. You can subscribe and get access to all of the shows. I think livephish.com is run by and/or shares the same platform as nugs.net but it's a different subscription.

Try https://phish.in

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by anjel »

reenorap wrote: post #33

I remember back in the early 90s I think on the internet when it was only accessible via my university, reading on a newsgroup about how people traded bootlegs from various concerts. People would mail cassette tapes around the country and would use double cassette recorders to make a copy of their bootleg and mail it back to people. It was definitely a different time

They called 'em Tape Trees, way back then, which begat ETree.org

Re: Rare concert recordings are landing on the Internet Archive

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Post by boomboomsubban »

bilekas wrote: post #52

I have my worries about Internet Archive more and more recently. I'm wondering though is there any decentralized IPFS or P2P Archive of the entire archive that can be helped with for preservation ? https://www.wired.com/story/the-internets-most-powerful-arch...

IA makes torrents for basically everything on it's site.
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