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Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by ajross »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #76
ajross wrote: post #20

Counter-take: this was almost entirely wrong, and the author should be embarassed looking back after 17 years. I mean, it was 2009. How much of your personal data from then is still around on non-archival media you still control? Even among the geek set here, the answer is likely to be "almost none of it". At best it's "backed up" on media you haven't validated. Or more likely, copied somewhere else to keep it secure…

Funny you bring up Gmail as a positive example when they reneged on their promise of unlimited storage 5 years ago. Most of my media is backed up on my Unraid server, the most important stuff is backed up on an external drive and I also have some things that exist in the cloud, which I do not trust, which is why it's tiered as least important.

Is your Unraid free and unlimited then? Funny argument, indeed.

I'm amazed at the number of people jumping out here to insist that people don't use or value cloud storage because of the existance of one or thirty or whatever kludgey manual solutions. I mean, I know you can store stuff manually. I still have all that junk too! It's fun. But I don't recommend it to friends or coworkers or family or anyone else because... well, duh, as it were.

This forum's cherished (and, apparently, deeply insecure) geek cred notwithstanding, THE MARKET walked straight into the arms of the cloud, and has derived immense value from it. Grandmothers have terabyte archives of their progeny's development and will take it to the grave, without needing to puzzle out (sigh) an unraid install.

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by casey2 »

17 years on, no value created, trillions extracted and used for stock buybacks. Destabilizing the economy, raising borrowing costs and making the feds print print print. In the 90s there were 8000+ publicly listed companies doing real business. Now there are ~3600, 10 years from now there will be at most 1000.

Gambling and endless consolidation feel good for monkey brains. Governments are supposed to step in, but we have a heckin' Cheeto in the White House.

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by scheeseman486 »

ajross wrote: post #81
scheeseman486 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you bring up Gmail as a positive example when they reneged on their promise of unlimited storage 5 years ago. Most of my media is backed up on my Unraid server, the most important stuff is backed up on an external drive and I also have some things that exist in the cloud, which I do not trust, which is why it's tiered as least important.

Is your Unraid free and unlimited then? Funny argument, indeed. I'm amazed at the number of people jumping out here to insist that people don't use or value cloud storage because of the existance of one or thirty or whatever kludgey manual solutions. I mean, I know you can store stuff manually. I still have all that junk too! It's fun. But I don't recommend it to friends or coworkers or family or anyone else because.…

I'm grandfathered to get unlimited updates, though if they rugpull on that the drives are just formatted as XFS. It'd be a hassle to move to something like TrueNAS, but I could do it even if the OS stopped working. Even if Lime Technology completely disappear one day and make every Unraid USB stick self destruct, I'll still have physical access to the data.

Cloud services, like everything else in control of rent seeking companies, are getting worse. That was always the obvious, inevitable trap with all of this, with any system where you pay a subscription for remote access to a timeshare computer. Which isn't to say that it isn't useful, I even use it, but I don't rely on it.

You didn't frame your initial post around the market of grandmas, your rhetoric was targeted to those reading your post; "How much of your personal data", "do you still have your email".

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by 10729287 »

protonbob wrote: post #57
h4kunamata wrote: post #31

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>I've been running some form of servers on consumer PC hardware in my home since around 1998 My excuse is that I never had the financial stability that I have now in my middle 30s to get things going, also moving oversea and what not didn't help either. But I didn't go crazy, I have 3 Proxmox servers running a few services, Pihole + Unbound as recursive DNS to avoid DNS poisoning and personal data tracking. A DIY Tru…

How does Jellyfin solve findings Blu-ray copies of old movies? Unless you say you just pirate them? Jellyfin isn’t just for movie pirates.

You can still borrow a lot at your local library and rip them yourself.

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by gammalost »

mikestorrent wrote: post #63
purplehat_ wrote: post #61

I'm surprised people are advocating self-hosting as a viable solution. It takes a lot of knowledge to do sync and backup yourself, most of it implicit knowledge that people here don't realize we have and so for us it seems very easy. There was a comment in another post on the front page about how anyone "remotely technical" can set up a docker container, and I think this is a good example because the mechanics of it…

> If we are to solve this problem, we're going to have to make self-hosting easy enough It used to be easy enough in the 90s, when plenty of folks had their own custom website. You signed up with a hosting company; they provided you with a bunch of different ways to upload files; your website was hosted. Of late, I've decided that the problem is that HTML development halted at what is still a very beta product. HTMX…

> You signed up with a hosting company; they provided you with a bunch of different ways to upload files; your website was hosted.

But that is not self-hosting. You're still using a cloud service. The problem is how to run something local, at home, that you have full control over

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by i_love_retros »

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #75
segmondy wrote: post #55

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So what? It will be back up.

...and the person just lost the majority of traffic that wouldve went to his site

Oh no! All those ad views they missed out on!

Yeah I get the impression that making money from advertising isn't the primary reason that site exists. I know, hard to fathom right?

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by solstice »

samplatt wrote: post #50
kaibee wrote: post #32

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I still have hour long techno/house mixes that I downloaded from some dude who was trying to get into DJing in 2008/did house shows or something, because we played on the same garry's mod server. They don't exist anywhere else on the internet as far as I could possibly find. Searching his dj name doesn't bring up anything.

A UK trance artist called Deathboy left directory-traversal open on his website about 23 year ago. Since then I've had a lot of mp3's that he's never released or put on albums, which is sad because a lot of them are pretty great. Similarly (also from ~2003), the (Australian) ABC's website held a lot of recorded breakfast radio show clips from when Adam & Wil hosted it, getting the awesome comedy band Tripod [0] to wr…

Well have you uploaded them to archive.org?
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