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Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by balamatom »

purplehat_ wrote: post #61

I'm surprised people are advocating self-hosting as a viable solution. It takes a lot of knowledge to do sync and backup yourself, most of it implicit knowledge that people here don't realize we have and so for us it seems very easy. There was a comment in another post on the front page about how anyone "remotely technical" can set up a docker container, and I think this is a good example because the mechanics of it…

> half the world couldn't tell you what a terminal is and they're focused on other things in life instead of learning how computers work.

Thankfully, the converse: the computers these days are focused on nothing else but learning how humans work.

Hell, half the world doesn't even have a computer with a physical keyboard.

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by balamatom »

Rekindle8090 wrote: post #39
TacticalCoder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer, ... Oh totally. I got my brother, who lives on the other side of the world and who's not a dev/sysadmin, just a poweruser, to install Proxmox and he's now using GPU passthrough to have VMs run different AI models (in either Linux or Windows) for image generation, experimenting, etc. He's also got a NAS with RAID etc. To me a homelab…

"Oh totally. I got my brother, who lives on the other side of the world and who's not a dev/sysadmin, just a poweruser, to install Proxmox and he's now using GPU passthrough to have VMs run different AI models (in either Linux or Windows) for image generation, experimenting, etc. He's also got a NAS with RAID etc." dude this is way more than "power user" you're being unserious. If you tell a genuine power user, someo…

>you're being unserious

PSA: the answer to "you're being unserious" starts with "are you fucking kidding me?"

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by balamatom »

markus_zhang wrote: post #8

I think very soon we will read “Fuck AI”.

I've been reading it for a couple years already, where have yall been looking? At marketing materials?

See e.g. https://aphyr.com/tags/the-future-of-everything-is-lies-i-gu...

(That whole series is also available as PDF; I recommend printing it, spiral-binding the printout kinda like a pirated college textbook, and surreptitiously leaving it in cafes and the like.)

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by andquartzofc »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #25
h4kunamata wrote: post #18

Up to early 2000s, people would go to the internet to have fun, everything was new, it was the mass migration from analog to digital era. 2020s, people are going offline to have fun. Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer, people hosting their own documents, movies, music, backups in case things go bad. Even some companies have realised the price of going cloud, some are mo…

> Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer, ... Oh totally. I got my brother, who lives on the other side of the world and who's not a dev/sysadmin, just a poweruser, to install Proxmox and he's now using GPU passthrough to have VMs run different AI models (in either Linux or Windows) for image generation, experimenting, etc. He's also got a NAS with RAID etc. To me a homelab…

> and who's not a dev/sysadmin

> He's also got a NAS with RAID etc.

https://xkcd.com/2501/

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by LewisVerstappen »

segmondy wrote: post #55
anon7000 wrote: post #51

The irony of this is hilarious > Resource Limit Is Reached > The website is temporarily unable to service your request as it exceeded resource limit. Please try again later.

So what? It will be back up.

...and the person just lost the majority of traffic that wouldve went to his site

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by scheeseman486 »

ajross wrote: post #20

Counter-take: this was almost entirely wrong, and the author should be embarassed looking back after 17 years. I mean, it was 2009. How much of your personal data from then is still around on non-archival media you still control? Even among the geek set here, the answer is likely to be "almost none of it". At best it's "backed up" on media you haven't validated. Or more likely, copied somewhere else to keep it secure…

Funny you bring up Gmail as a positive example when they reneged on their promise of unlimited storage 5 years ago.

Most of my media is backed up on my Unraid server, the most important stuff is backed up on an external drive and I also have some things that exist in the cloud, which I do not trust, which is why it's tiered as least important.

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by unmole »

h4kunamata wrote: post #18

Up to early 2000s, people would go to the internet to have fun, everything was new, it was the mass migration from analog to digital era. 2020s, people are going offline to have fun. Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer, people hosting their own documents, movies, music, backups in case things go bad. Even some companies have realised the price of going cloud, some are mo…

> Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer

This sounds like a filter bubble plus wishful thinking. Most people can barely manage their phone settings, let alone run a homelab.

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by ed_ »

purplehat_ wrote: post #61

I'm surprised people are advocating self-hosting as a viable solution. It takes a lot of knowledge to do sync and backup yourself, most of it implicit knowledge that people here don't realize we have and so for us it seems very easy. There was a comment in another post on the front page about how anyone "remotely technical" can set up a docker container, and I think this is a good example because the mechanics of it…

I agree about Obsidian Sync, I'm a happy user.

A distinction worth making is between "self-hosting" (running docker-compose, Proxmox, etc.) and "local-first software" (applications that store data on your own machine with no cloud infrastructure required). The former is hard, the latter is just how desktop software worked before SaaS took over.

In small business software the shift has been nearly total. Tools aimed at craft makers, small food producers, etc. have almost universally migrated to monthly subscriptions. The practical result: you're paying $tens-$hundreds/month to track whether you have enough beeswax for your next candle batch, the price increases annually, and if the vendor folds you get 90 days to export your data (if you're lucky).

These users won't set up a homelab, but a desktop app that installs normally, stores data locally, works offline, and has a one-time price is achievable - I've been building one [1] and it's a reasonable middle ground between "trust us with your data forever" and "configure your own NAS."

[1] https://kitted.site (inventory and production management for small manufacturers)

Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)

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Post by taurath »

purplehat_ wrote: post #61

I'm surprised people are advocating self-hosting as a viable solution. It takes a lot of knowledge to do sync and backup yourself, most of it implicit knowledge that people here don't realize we have and so for us it seems very easy. There was a comment in another post on the front page about how anyone "remotely technical" can set up a docker container, and I think this is a good example because the mechanics of it…

> The only good implementation I know of personally is Obsidian Sync

Obsidian Sync gets around a major platform problem with Apple iOS devices, which is that they don't allow one app to change the data of another. You can use Syncthing for local E2EE sync, but it won't work on your mobile due to this. It works fantastic machine to machine. I'm paying for Obsidian Sync now just to get around that, but it shows how some of the platforms are made to prevent functionality. Ostensibly its for security, but I'd argue the benefit is mainly financial for app makers (and therefore their app store cut).

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