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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by embedding-shape »

llbbdd wrote: post #66
estebank wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LaLiga has the same kind of attitude and culture as the RIAA. Interpret their words and actions accordingly.

That's kind of what I mean. From like 2000-2010 in the US, you could find Napster or Limewire icons on the desktops of people who would self-describe as not-a-computer-person. Conveniences like iTunes->iPod and streaming services like Spotify did a lot to depress the popularity of music piracy for a decade+ after that, though it seems to have made a bit of a comeback recently, apparently as a result of streaming serv…

> From like 2000-2010 in the US, you could find Napster or Limewire icons on the desktops of people who would self-describe as not-a-computer-person.

Which, just to add some context, is exactly how people/groups who want to watch football at home does with football streams today in 2026 in Spain, except now also with a VPN of course. Regular football fans who have no idea how/why these streams work or where they're coming from and couldn't tell you the difference between a website and a desktop application, know the website addresses and the know-to about how to access them. Which is why you're seeing the reaction from La Liga and the courts.

> problem might be that LaLiga is acting both as the distributor and enforcer?

Isn't this true in movies and other areas too? HBO and other distributors send DMCA requests left and right like everyone else, as far as I can tell, aren't they too then "the distributor and enforcer" or is that different somehow?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by raincole »

llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

> "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem"

I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels.

One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provide significant better service than that.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by alfonsodev »

ilaksh wrote: post #39

Can Spaniards work around this with a VPN? I know that causes other issues though. To what degree is it feasible for a startup to move around in Europe? This is the sort of heavy-handed, tech-illiterate, authoritarian activity that might make me seriously consider moving my infrastructure or headquarters if I was a Spanish startup.

> This is the sort of heavy-handed, tech-illiterate, authoritarian.

Totally agree with this, it's ridiculous and a shame.

I personally don't use any infrastructure provider from Spain, but you wouldn't solve any problem moving out, and also those providers are not the ones to blame or punish. Only customer connecting from Spain are affected where is the infrastructure does not solve the problem.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by InfraScaler »

ilaksh wrote: post #39

Can Spaniards work around this with a VPN? I know that causes other issues though. To what degree is it feasible for a startup to move around in Europe? This is the sort of heavy-handed, tech-illiterate, authoritarian activity that might make me seriously consider moving my infrastructure or headquarters if I was a Spanish startup.

Yes, works with any VPN.

Also, it takes 10 minutes to find a valid football stream, even without a VPN. Such is life.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by oytis »

nradov wrote: post #26

It's always hilarious to see HN users claim how the "quality of life" is so much better in the EU than the USA. When in reality most of them only ever visit a handful of EU first-tier cities for short vacations or business trips, and never have to deal with the reality of living and working under an oppressive bureaucratic state.

Conversely, most Europeans praising the USA have mostly been to California or New York, and rarely to Ohio or Alabama

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by vaylian »

conradfr wrote: post #57
0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

The EU is more likely to enact more censorship than other way.

This. The chat control 2.0 law includes blocking orders. And Ursula von der Leyen tried to introduce internet censorship when she was still in German politics.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by alfonsodev »

ciberado wrote: post #87
alfonsodev wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IPs are blocked at Spanish internet provider level, the problem would be if you have customers in Spain, but it doesn't matter where you move your infra, if your ip is in one of the affected IP blocks, customers from Spain won't be able to reach no matter in what country is placed (what happened with docker pull )

My Tailscale exit node disagrees ;)

do you mind to elaborate ? are you connecting from out of Spain, I'm curious how fucked up the situation is.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by tl »

keybored wrote: post #52
abirch wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They pass stupid laws with impunity here in America. Sadly, an alien viewing our behavior would deduce a rule such as: as long as the voter is the same tribe as the candidate, the voter must vote for candidate no matter how corrupt.

If they pass laws “with impunity” you can’t blame the voters that hard.

This is America. We gerrymander the vote and blame the victim. Sorry you got downvoted.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by isodev »

0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

I would say the root problem is not someone seeking to prevent piracy but rather the fact that so many services are clustered behind the same proxy / CDN service (e.g. Cloudflare).

That in my view is what needs to be regulated and Cloudflare designated as a “gatekeeper” with all the responsibilities to go with that.

La Liga would never be able to secure blanket bans if people and services were more decentralised

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