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Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by benihana »

sriramk wrote: post #35

This is a stunning development and most of MSFT is probably in shock right now. It's hard to overstate the scope and influence Sinofsky had at MSFT. This was a man widely expected to be the next CEO and he had impact way outside his organization (the 'Sinofsky-ization of teams'). Also, his stock was rising inside MSFT (when you stay inside the company long enough, you can sense which executives are in trouble and whi…

Typical Microsoft of late. Apple makes a tablet, then Microsoft makes a tablet. Apple fires some executives, then Microsoft fires some executives.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by jacquesm »

andralex wrote: post #95
benihana wrote: post #23

So I've always wondered what happens to you as a human when you're effectively fired from a high level, high visibility position. How does Sinofsky feel right now, emotionally? How does he feel professionally? Is this something someone shakes off as differences between opinionated guys in an organization? Or is this something that rocks him to his core? Does he go for another job right away? Or does he write a book a…

I'm nowhere near that level but extrapolating from my experience and that of people I know: such abrupt departures are never amiable and are the tip of quite complex political junctures. As a human being, someone like Sinofsky is no longer hurt by lost income, but that's a blessing in disguise because his motivations were for a long time not of financial nature, which means he is hurting in other dimensions. Feelings…

Some of the items you list are visible in cult victims too.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by curiousDog »

ryanmolden wrote: post #103
curiousDog wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, confused Julie's bio with Tammy Reller's. She has an MBA and has indeed been leading the UI/UX efforts. Nonetheless, I still stand by point. I was an SDE at msft in OSD, so I know very well how technically competent PMs are and how much code they write.

So your experience in OSD translates across a company of 90k+ people? Seems legit. I have met some PMs that probably couldn't write a line of shipping code too, I have also met some highly competent ones. I guess, like all things involving large numbers, there is a distribution, not all fall in the tail.

Certainly not the whole company but to the person in question.

I'm certain any PM in devdiv for example would be a great coder.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by moron »

programminggeek wrote: post #64

Wait, Apple fired their top software guy and MSFT's top software guy leaves. Why does this sound like Sinofsky is heading to Apple?

Because "post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

Apple shits on Windows every chance they get, and now they're gonna hire the guy who was in charge of it? Come on.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by uptown »

moe wrote: post #109
w1ntermute wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's Ballmer's letter about Sinofsky's departure: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3638174/steve-ballmers-le... Edit: Sources inside Microsoft say a clash of personalities led to Sinofsky's departure: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3638340/microsoft-steven-... Steven Sinofsky's letter to Microsoft employees explaining his departure: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3638770/steven-sinofskys-...

Anyone else had to pause when reading that line in the letter? Julie has been a stalwart leader of building compelling “experiences” from her time on Internet Explorer

Well, one definition of "compelling" is "demanding attention". Any web developer that's had to build for Internet Explorer will likely say that's a fairly accurate description.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by iamrohitbanga »

Evbn wrote: post #101
iamrohitbanga wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt if he will go to apple. He must be bound by non-compete agreements.

That just means a six month vacation. Plenty of folks bounce around between the big cos.

could yahoo be on the cards? marissa meyer made the move recently.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

moe wrote: post #109
w1ntermute wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's Ballmer's letter about Sinofsky's departure: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3638174/steve-ballmers-le... Edit: Sources inside Microsoft say a clash of personalities led to Sinofsky's departure: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3638340/microsoft-steven-... Steven Sinofsky's letter to Microsoft employees explaining his departure: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3638770/steven-sinofskys-...

Anyone else had to pause when reading that line in the letter? Julie has been a stalwart leader of building compelling “experiences” from her time on Internet Explorer

IE 3 and 4 were very well received in their own time. Its only IE 6 that overstayed its welcome.

Re: Steven Sinofsky to Leave Microsoft

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Post by plaguuuuuu »

curiousDog wrote: post #8

This is really really sad. Everyone must be very disappointed (Especially mini-microsoft). And the new head is a PM..heading windows engineering. More on Julie from Mary Jo: [1]"Larson-Green applied to Microsoft right after she got her business management degree from Western Washington University, only to be told no. But she did land a job at desktop-publishing-software maker Aldus working on the product support call…

* Visual C++

* IE 3/4

* FrontPage

...Windows is doomed.

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