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Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by madaxe_again »

embedding-shape wrote: post #79
freetanga wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

It’s football. I’m pretty sure there are a great many countries you could induce to do insane things if the populace could be made to believe that said insane things will help football.

I mean, didn’t El Salvador and Honduras go to war over football back in the 60’s? And I seem to recall there was a football match which helped precipitate the dissolution of Yugoslavia - national identities coalesced around football tribes.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by spwa4 »

Ikatza wrote: post #242
spwa4 wrote: post #108

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Just so everyone here has the full picture: the source linked — Assemblea Nacional Catalana — is not a human rights watchdog, an international observer, or a journalistic outlet. It is the main pro-independence criminal activist organization in Catalonia. Citing them as evidence of Spanish human rights abuses is a bit like citing the murderer's wife as an impartial witness. For context, Spain is a full constitutional…

Or to put it another way: Catalunya (Barcelona and surroundings) is one of 3 Spanish regions that want to break away from Spain, not counting overseas territories. And yes, the population really wants this: there was a referendum and the outcome was: 92% want out of Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_refe...

(why? Let's be honest: Catalunya would benefit enormously from independence, but when the economy goes well, as it did from 2001-2007, they're fine. After that the situation worsened again. The situation is simple: Catalunya has a much better economy than Spain and could maintain government spending, whereas being part of Spain, they need to cut social spending)

The Spanish government has violently repressed this, attacked the people, arrested politicians, tried to threaten other EU nations with invasion (yes, seriously, the current government has a few "rough edges", even if I would agree if someone said that any other party would be worse) unless they arrest Catalunya politicians (then did nothing when they told them to go f themselves), and this mostly with the agreement of regular Spaniards.

Given what is happening in the EU (10+ years of slowly but unrelentingly worsening economy) the situation is slowly worsening again.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by duckmysick »

ordersofmag wrote: post #270
msully4321 wrote: post #235

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I'm not sure where that number comes from but I don't think it's right, and I don't think that's how La Liga is structured anyway. It's governed by an association of all of the teams in the top two flights of spanish football.

Right. The number is the result of Claude adding up the public information about the aggregate value of all those clubs plus the association. So it would mean buying all the clubs; or at least enough to have a controlling interest in the association. Clearly there are big challenges to that (e.g. clubs not being for sale for one). But I thought it was an interesting thought experiment. Of course if you're just trying…

Did Claude point out that under this proposal the Spanish clubs would be bared from entering European competitions? Since the clubs under the same ownership (more than 30%) can't enter the same UEFA club competitions.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by yangm97 »

tabwidth wrote: post #241
yangm97 wrote: post #102

Maybe it’s time to reflect upon the reliance on centralized services? Not long ago docker hub started rate limiting access and we all turned to blanket solutions like the GitLab registry cache. I wonder if the IPFS distributed docker registry thing still exists/works.

This isn't really about centralization. ISPs are blocking at the IP level, not Docker Hub specifically. You could self-host a registry behind Cloudflare and still run into the same thing.

Self-hosting a registry is objectively “less bad” than relying entirely on docker hub but, unless all your Dockerfiles start with `FROM scratch` you’ll still need access to Docker Hub to pull the base images and their updates, and that’s true regardless of how many people are running their own registries. If instead of relying on a centralized registry, which just so happens to also depend on a centralized CDN, you could instead pull images using something like IPFS or even torrent, not only ISP IP banlists wouldn’t be an issue but you would also eliminate a whole bunch of failure modes from the system.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by forty »

pxc wrote: post #281
mlyle wrote: post #275

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The reason why entities comply with the wishes of courts is because there's consequences if they don't. Consequences like being filtered.

Cloudflare has not in fact refused to comply with any court orders! The very thing at issue is that LaLiga wants Cloudflare to do censorship on their behalf that Cloudflare, who has no contractual relationship with LaLiga, is not required to do by any legal framework in Spain or the US. Cloudflare literally wasn't even a party to the ruling by which LaLiga has been compelling Spanish ISPs to do the IP-level blocking.…

I'm not sure why it shouldn't be cloudflare job to make sure they don't host illegal content. If my super market keeps distributing illegal goods, even if they remove it after a court order, they will end up having to close the whole market.

Either they should police the content they serve themselves or they accept the right holders to do it (which sucks for everyone).

Also they certainly willing take all their customers as hostage, as they could certainly split their network into legitimate customers and shaddy ones so the blocking is not so impactful, but I guess they prefer to make it as impactful as possible to be able to complain.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by [deleted] »

danirod wrote: post #30

Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…

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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by voidUpdate »

sneak wrote: post #166
ryandrake wrote: post #120

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Whenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.

It would if it were bigger business in your country. Try torrenting an MCU movie and see what happens to your ISP account.

In my experience, nothing...

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

estebank wrote: post #60
the_gipsy wrote: post #57

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It's ridiculous and wrong what LaLiga does. But it's also a weakeup call to consider ditching cloudflare's centralization.

The companies relying on cloudflare won't be in Spain. If you buy a GPS tracker by a Canadian company, developed in India, manufactured in China, they are unlikely to know, even it they cared, that a single country that accounts for a tiny percentage of their sales breaks fundamental internet infrastructure on the regular "because fútbol y dinero". And when purchasing a product, there's no "bill of materials" telling…

> breaks fundamental internet infrastructure

I think lots of countries block Cloudflare whole-sale.

Laundering IP addresses for (or against) shady purposes is, in fact, Cloudflare's whole business. It's a wonder Cloudflare isn't being blocked more often.

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