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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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just wait until they block Azure as well so the official La Liga site also stops working

Hmmm. Don't they have a reporting form or something like that? Down with those filthy Azure pirates on IP 52.166.113.188.

Starting a new business I see...this actually seems like the best form of protest here so good luck to you.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Interesting alternative. Cloudflare (market cap $58B) buys La liga (market value $5 billion), drops suit.

Real Madrid alone is more than $5B ? Maybe you mean to say league association is worth 5B ? That seems too high the association does not have lot of margins they pass through most of their revenue to the clubs . The last domestic TV deal they signed recently was worth $6B for 5 seasons or so, which is what you are proposing they buy. In enterprise value terms that $1B/year growing 6 %YoY is worth a lot more than $5B.…

Here are RMs financials...https://www.realmadrid.com/en-US/news/club/latest-news/notic...

They make about $25m a year in profit. Cloudflair actually looses a small amount of money on 2.5x the revenue. However, Cloudflairs market cap is about 100x that of RM's and that's because they have a growing business, in a growing industry and can easily become profitable when needed. That's probably not possible for RM and their very pricey lineup of players.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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This is why technology businesses and professionals need to take a little bit of an active role in local politics. Otherwise you get nonsense.

We also need more tech-savvy politicians in office. There are a lot of politicians who are expected to legislate on important technology issues that barely know how to use a cellphone.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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post #143

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> Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. why would they? > squabble between two huge corporations I think this is just LaLiga using it's cultural and economical power, don't think Cloudflare or the courts should be making exceptions just so they can control how people watch football

> why would they? Well, in this case, the alternative is all of Spain intermittently blocking lots of Cloudflare. But if Cloudflare bows to Spain in this case, every jurisdiction will want to pile up lots of special case rules for Cloudflare to try and implement.

LaLiga isn't Cloudflare's customer. They have no relationship. So why would Cloudflare rework their infrastructure just to instrument rapid blocking at their own expense as a favor to LaLiga? And if they don't, ISPs just break the Internet for each soccer match? This is a kind of coercion that makes no sense. Cloudflare has no obligation like this to LaLiga (and neither would a Spanish domestic CDN!).

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

If this is done at the DNS level, run your own DNS. If not, use a VPN. Taking this to the courts is a long term solution, but in the short term you want to act on your own to evade censorship and oppression.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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I'm in Spain as well and it sucks a lot. What I do now is I go thorough Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 VPN (set up on my router). Fixes the issue and there is practically no latency or bandwidth impact.

You mean 1.1.1.1. DNS? Or do they also serve a VPN through that IP?

It's probably just DNS (port 53). It's the way Europeans tend to implement their censorship, with the ISPs as executors. It's trivial to bypass, but most non-technical users don't know how, so it's good enough to comply.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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post #135

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They are doing this by artificially inflating the numbers, destroying the country forever: https://i.imgur.com/0MAeFaF.jpg

>total population change in EU countries The figures I cited are for GDP per capita, which accounts for population growth. Moreover immigration should have the opposite effect of depressing per-capita GDP, because immigrants typically take lower skilled jobs, dragging overall productivity down. So if anything, the figures are artificially depressed, not inflated.

You should read down that table a bit. Sure the Spanish economy had higher growth rates the last couple of years. The way they managed to have a higher rate was to have the economy shrink by 8% in 2023. So according to my math, the estimated size of the Spanish economy in 2026 is about the same as the 2023 Spanish economy (within 1%). Hard to claim that as a win.

Technically you can say that they have been in a depression for the last 4 years and counting as their functional growth rate (accounting for inflation of the Euro) is negative over that period (down about 10% inflation adjusted).

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Spain is a failing country. Their economy is in shambles and the government has ceded internet control to a private corporation who runs football games.

Spain isn't a perfect country, I don't think any is. But the economy isn't in shambles, only someone who doesn't know what they're talking about would say anything like that. It does suck that La Liga can wield so much power, agree, but this is not related to the economy at all...

Sorry, but this isn't true. The Spanish economy shrank by 8% in 2023. So all those gains in the last couple of years are just catching up to 2023 and not actual growth. Add in inflation and the average Spaniard has lost 10% of their income over that period (2023-now). The median citizen losing 10% of their income in real economic terms does qualify for the vaunted "shambles" title.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

#270

Interesting alternative. Cloudflare (market cap $58B) buys La liga (market value $5 billion), drops suit.

I'm not sure where that number comes from but I don't think it's right, and I don't think that's how La Liga is structured anyway. It's governed by an association of all of the teams in the top two flights of spanish football.

Right. The number is the result of Claude adding up the public information about the aggregate value of all those clubs plus the association. So it would mean buying all the clubs; or at least enough to have a controlling interest in the association. Clearly there are big challenges to that (e.g. clubs not being for sale for one). But I thought it was an interesting thought experiment. Of course if you're just trying to play the money = power card then it'd probably be cheaper to purchase the influence of some government officials.
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