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Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by mastermage »

bengotow wrote: post #7

Just want to drive by and mention - a friend told me to play DDLC and I was highly skeptical given the anime pin-up girl art style. I eventually gave in and gave it a shot. It's an amazing "playable story" unlike anything I have ever played. Super creative and well worth the couple hours it takes to play. I think it could use a few trigger warnings and it should be rated PG-13 / R, but there's stuff on Netflix 10x mo…

Classical Google removing things that are pretty normal while leaving actively harmful, scams, gambling etc. apps online.

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Post by mastermage »

kstenerud wrote: post #183
brookst wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m generally with you, but I am not prepared to say companies should be forced to host and distribute content they believe reflects badly on them. That and I don’t see how Google and Apple can both be monopolies in mobile. Is this the “Ford has a monopoly on Mustangs” argument? Never found that persuasive. Now, reframe as duopoly, and maybe layer in that a platform owner who curates their App Store must allow altern…

Remember the days when you could just run whatever software you wanted on your hardware?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by mafuy »

snicky wrote: post #174
nickv wrote: post #128

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Oh dude, this game is going to rock your world. I'm like giddy for you experiencing this for the first time with no spoilers. I was like "meh" too at first ("what are people TALKING about?") and, then, it just gets incredible.

I played it years ago and sorry, it didn't rock my world even for 5 minutes. It's a very naive story with a jump-scare sort of ending that totally didn't work for me, because it was well expected. The story felt very underwhelming comparing to most books, movies or games even. IMHO a complete waste of time.

That's an understandable point of view, but besides the easy to spot main plot twist, there are several minor issues woven into the story. The hints are sometimes quite subtle and spotting them early is not trivial, but is made possible through their well-made representation and consistency in the game. There is actually little fluff in a game that overtly shows almost purely random idle talk.

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Post by mastermage »

dtech wrote: post #21
oceansky wrote: post #10

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Brazil and India have created alternatives to Mastercard/Visa duopoly. EU is seeking to do the same.

Many European countries have had viable online alternatives since forever, and a lot of them are being consolidated into Werk, which will also enable physical payments

also it seems like the digital euro is getting forward.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by farfatched »

kulahan wrote: post #165
farfatched wrote: post #48

It's available on Itch: https://teamsalvato.itch.io/ddlc (I've never played it.)

GOG as well. https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/doki-doki-literature-club... (I have played it, and I enjoyed it somewhat)

That page shows it's not on GOG, but someone has added it to the dreamlist.

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Post by cthalupa »

Anvoker wrote: post #141
KennyBlanken wrote: post #123

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> I think it could use a few trigger warnings There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that trigger warnings have a positive effect and growing evidence they are either ineffectual or actually negative.

If you've ever had trauma, especially recent, you'll appreciate well done content warnings. You don't want the dramatic plot twist to happen to be exactly the topic you've been trying to avoid so that you can slowly get better. If you've experienced a certain kind of trauma, it's not a matter willpower. It involves a loss of control over one's emotional response and thoughts which can be triggered by things that rela…

The problem is they are explicitly arguing that all of our best science is that trigger warnings are counter productive for getting better. Just a quick google search of 'scientific support for trigger warnings' will get you all sorts of meta analysis, RCT results, etc. on this. At best they don't seem to actually do anything, and at worst, they actively impede your ability to get better.

That doesn't mean it's a matter of willpower, but it does suggest that avoiding your triggers or trying to use trigger warnings to prepare you for dealing with them provides no benefit. Your use of the word avoid pretty much sums up the core problem here - on a personal enjoyment of day to day life level, avoiding your triggers makes perfect sense. On the long term healing and not being traumatized by them level, you don't want to do that. (Edit: This isn't to say try taking exposure therapy into your own hands and just surround yourself with the stuff. None of this is a replacement for guided therapy. But specifically going out of your way to avoid these things is 'avoidant behavior' and is pretty much universally recognized as being a bad thing when it comes to dealing with PTSD etc.)

That being said, I believe everyone should be able to disclaim what they want and that people can choose how they approach their own self-care, even if it isn't supported by the science.

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Post by debugnik »

jquery wrote: post #154
bengotow wrote: post #7

Just want to drive by and mention - a friend told me to play DDLC and I was highly skeptical given the anime pin-up girl art style. I eventually gave in and gave it a shot. It's an amazing "playable story" unlike anything I have ever played. Super creative and well worth the couple hours it takes to play. I think it could use a few trigger warnings and it should be rated PG-13 / R, but there's stuff on Netflix 10x mo…

DDLC borrowed a lot from YOU and ME and HER: A Love Story (Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi), which I consider generally superior to DDLC. I say this not to diminish DDLC, which is excellent, but as a plug for anyone who enjoyed DDLC and wants more mind warping content like that.

I believe Dan Salvato, the creator of DDLC, said he wasn't aware of YOU and ME and HER until late in development.

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Post by Shish2k »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #182
Aurornis wrote: post #157

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Not required Source: I use Windows and Windows VMs sometimes and install whatever I want without hassle.

On a regular consumer version of windows what happens when you open an unsigned exe?

It asks "do you really want to run this?", you click yes, it runs and never asks again?

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by cthalupa »

mrexroad wrote: post #187
userbinator wrote: post #160

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Teaching people to not let emotions get to them, and offending them to build up that immunity, used to be a normal part of life. I wonder what happened.

trigger warnings are not there to prevent people from being "offended" or to avoid emotions they may "get to them." trigger warnings are so folks who have experienced traumatic events can avoid having a panic response triggered unexpectedly. traumatic events are not a normal part of life and fortunately most people are never forced to experience something truly traumatic. Uncontrolled exposure does not build up "immu…

Trigger warnings have been quite heavily researched at this point and at best they seem to have no positive impact to overcoming traumatic events and a some of the studies have shown them to be a negative.

Put 'scientific support for trigger warnings' in your favorite search engine and you'll find meta-analysis, RCTs, other types of studies, reviews, as well as discussions from the APS, other psychology and psychiatry related publications, etc.

This isn't to say removing trigger warnings is a replacement for actual guided therapy, exposure therapy or otherwise, but it doesn't seem like it would be a negative outcome for long term mental health and would be a benefit for anticipatory distress and potentially in combating avoidant behaviors (though not all studies universally found them to increase avoidant behaviors - just some)

This is a separate question than when it comes to general polite society and social expectations and what is and isn't considered a courtesy. The studies also aren't dealing with people that have just gone through the traumatic experience, so you could make a reasonable argument that exposure to something still fresh could have a very different impact.

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