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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by xg15 »

tavavex wrote: post #167
avaer wrote: post #7

In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

To me it increasingly seems like there's no version of reality where doing anything will solve the problem, unless you're one of the special few people who can influence the world. The violence is a sign of that. Average people don't do things like these, but when they start feeling helpless, the most unstable people of that society that don't have anything to lose will start acting more erratically. If there's no pr…

There are a LOT of stages between "resigning and doing nothing" and "deadly violence" that have some effect.

Demonstrations are a start, though they seem to be more useful for networking inside a group and forcing the press to pay attention to some matter. Decision makers can easily ignore them.

What's less easy to ignore are strikes, especially general strikes, as e.g. port workers in Italy threatened during the total blockade in the Gaza war.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by [deleted] »

s_trumpet wrote: post #269

I am seeing information about the attacker that show he was being influenced by Rationalist thinkers - he posted about “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies” by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares. This information of course might be false, so take the words below with a grain of salt. I might be completely wrong. When an influential group in the Valley that has ties to many tech companies spends years speading rhetoric…

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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by samrus »

ordu wrote: post #105
samrus wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the sentiment but this is disengenuous. Political violence built this democracy

I believe it doesn't matter. You see, if you try applying this trick to different traits of a society, it would lead to conclusions like: it is impossible for us to build an environmentally conscious society because we come here by being environmentally unconscious. It is a historical determinism, and it just don't work. For example, Europe was mostly a constant war between states, but after WWII it managed to come t…

> it would lead to conclusions like: it is impossible for us to build an environmentally conscious society because we come here by being environmentally unconscious

No. My logic applied here would imply that environtal unconsciousness can produce results becuase we got here by being environmentally unconscious. And that is true, burning coal for energy, while unsustainable, does produce results. Youll get energy, on demand, in a controlled manner.

Now, we should be careful doing it, but if you go to an amazonian tribesperson and yell at them for burning wood for a fire, becaise solar panels exist, then thats doesnt make complete sense

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by Teever »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36
d3ff wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> the sentiment for many is that 'we don't care we have nothing to lose anyway' Everyone says this before they learn what they didn’t value. Peace, for example. > Its easy for you to say, all perched up as a VC It’s easy to say for anyone who has read the history of political violence. When that comes on the table, universally [1], the people with power also have the power to raise armies. The people who stand to ben…

How should people who live in allied countries that the US has recently threatened to economically annex or invade feel about US military contractor oligarchs being attacked?

The way I see it, the pragmatic choice is to prefer to see Americans attack themselves because a divided America is less of a threat to my country.

Sometimes less civilized countries fall into civil war, sometimes they invade neighbours. If you're the neighbour which would you prefer?

Is that a reasonable perspective to you?

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by samrus »

bad_username wrote: post #234
wolvesechoes wrote: post #221

Somewhat funny to read all these holy, well-tamed, moral people condemning violence with most dumb, ungrounded "violence bad" that cannot even hold a second of scrutiny. Yes, violence shouldn't be the first resort, and when violence is unleashed innocent suffer as well, but there is a great difference between choosing not to use violence due to whatever consideration, and being so toothless and tamed that a sight of…

Where violence is acceptable as a tool, it empowers "cruel humans" on average much more than "beaten dogs".

True, but at one point the calculus shift to justifying that risk. Basically when the beaten dogs outnumber the cruel humans by alot

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by Findecanor »

agentifysh wrote: post #240

This is unacceptable and a growing issue in America, anti-AI has become just another focal point for the far end of the political spectrum to rally and ultimately radicalize violence.

I don't think it is obvious which "far end" of the political spectrum you are referring to.

I have seen anti-AI sentiments from people known all over the spectrum.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by specproc »

s_trumpet wrote: post #269

I am seeing information about the attacker that show he was being influenced by Rationalist thinkers - he posted about “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies” by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares. This information of course might be false, so take the words below with a grain of salt. I might be completely wrong. When an influential group in the Valley that has ties to many tech companies spends years speading rhetoric…

Unfortunately, no one is an outside observer when it comes to America.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by Findecanor »

glerk wrote: post #119
hgoel wrote: post #99

Crazy, as bad of a person as I think Altman is, he isn't even the worst AI CEO. But even the worst of them doesn't deserve this.

I've been seeing some version of "Sam Altman is the antichrist" on every platform in the last few weeks. I'm still trying to find concretely what makes this guy so bad compared to every executive out there. So far, all I could find is: - OpenAI made a deal with the Pentagon (fair) - OpenAI changed their business model from non-profit to for-profit (fair?) - Sexual assault allegations by his sister. Sam Altman denies…

Ilya Sutskever and Dario Amodei were high up at OpenAI before becoming competitors. They are just two of many people who have known Altman personally who have accused him of being a lying sociopath. I would not call that vague.

It is not just a question of morality. A sociopath with that amount of power can be a danger.

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Post by red75prime »

hax0ron3 wrote: post #168
avaer wrote: post #7

In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

In Sam Altman's case that is true. He is just one frontman for and beneficiary of a giant technological revolution that is almost inevitably happening whether anyone wants it to or not, since it is pushed forward by pure Darwinian logic: all key world actors feel compelled to develop AI, since they know that if they don't they will be outcompeted by others who do develop AI. Altman's death would change nothing about…

Hitler survived 40 assassination attempts, BTW. I don't know what to make out of it. Non-professionals have low chance of success maybe?

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by novia »

sama, i know the odds of you seeing this are very low, but i'm so sorry you're being targeted like this. you don't deserve this. i recently saw you do a q&a with francois challet and.. after it was over, you went to your car very quickly and you were driven away. i think these days you must think a lot about your safety and the safety of your family and i wish it didn't have to be that way. wishing you and your family all the best.
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