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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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You said they were "abnormal" and "trolls" but you dressed it up in the sort of snooty language that HN expects you to dress it up in. Civil violence is the backstop of literally every societal system. While it would be better if the systems work, civil violence is what happens if they don't and tends to increase until they do.

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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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That's a cute theory that it's just a conversation starter. Truth is, he knows he will need that bunker when the shit hits the fan. And it's already starting to.

I don't see the bunkers as being as useful as some might imagine them to be. In the kind of apocalyptic scenario which would actually make him want to move to the bunker in New Zealand, why would his security people bother to keep taking orders from him instead of just taking his stuff and demoting him to an advisor or maybe even killing him? I guess it's better than dying outside the bunkers, but there's a good chan…

> why would his security people bother to keep taking orders from him

Shock collars / implanted brain bombs would be my evil plan, but he's got smarter people than me on this so who knows?

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

#164

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What do you say to the people in Minneapolis demanding justice for the murder of Alex Pretti?

> What do you say to the people in Minneapolis demanding justice for the murder of Alex Pretti? Keep pushing your state investigators. Work to flip the House. And keep protesting and disrupting the browncoats. Alex Pretti did more to stop ICE than anyone e.g. killing an individual ICE agent would do.

I am a resident of the Twin Cities and I agree wholeheartedly with this perspective. I found reading the book Waging A Good War very educational about the deliberate, strategic use of nonviolence by the American Civil Rights Movement and its ultimate triumph as a means to win support and achieve social change. It was a clear and inspiring parallel for me during the worst times of this year so far.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

#165

I feel like Altman's PR team is dropping the ball. We somehow need to get the word out that AI tools will benefit all of humanity, not detract from it.

Is this really the case though? Currently it appears to benefiting a small few and there is not much reason to think it will change going forward.

If 95% of jobs go away, the destabilization leads to violent conflicts, and power and wealth become more centralized does it really matter if we have better healthcare or automated cars? Will people have purpose in their lives? Will this be a better world for most?

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

This kind of sentiment, on its own, is hollow. Just more "violence bad", until the next round.

There is growing anger and discontentment in a large part of the population, driven by inequality of wealth and power. Hopelessness and a lack of control over the future.

Are the nodes of power willing to spread wealth and control more widely to stabilize the country? What are they willing to do to consolidate their power? The vast majority of violence is perpetrated by those nodes, to either consolidate power, or gain more of it.

Other people in this thread have already suggested more actionable responses: organize, unionize, understand class dynamics, and vote accordingly.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

#167
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In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

To me it increasingly seems like there's no version of reality where doing anything will solve the problem, unless you're one of the special few people who can influence the world. The violence is a sign of that. Average people don't do things like these, but when they start feeling helpless, the most unstable people of that society that don't have anything to lose will start acting more erratically. If there's no pressure relief, these actions propagate and will become more common and normalized. This is driven by desperation, not strategically weighing the pros and cons and what impact it'll have on society or what have you.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

In Sam Altman's case that is true. He is just one frontman for and beneficiary of a giant technological revolution that is almost inevitably happening whether anyone wants it to or not, since it is pushed forward by pure Darwinian logic: all key world actors feel compelled to develop AI, since they know that if they don't they will be outcompeted by others who do develop AI. Altman's death would change nothing about that fundamental calculus. You'd have to kill probably tens of thousands of people to really put a dent in AI development, and even then it would probably just be temporarily delayed.

In general, violence can certainly solve problems, especially when the problems are not being caused by almost-inevitable technological revolutions. One of the issues to keep in mind, though, is that it often also creates new ones, often surprising ones. For example, the assassination that led to World War One. For another example, if Trump had been assassinated last year, that would have solved many problems for people who dislike Trump. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it would have made the world overall a better place - that is almost impossible to predict. Hence the sci-fi sort of scenario of "you go back in time and kill Hitler, but when you return to your own time it turns out that Hitler dying just let mega-Hitler take power".

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

#169

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I don't see the bunkers as being as useful as some might imagine them to be. In the kind of apocalyptic scenario which would actually make him want to move to the bunker in New Zealand, why would his security people bother to keep taking orders from him instead of just taking his stuff and demoting him to an advisor or maybe even killing him? I guess it's better than dying outside the bunkers, but there's a good chan…

> why would his security people bother to keep taking orders from him Shock collars / implanted brain bombs would be my evil plan, but he's got smarter people than me on this so who knows?

Yeah, I guess the practical problem with shock collars / implanted brain bombs is that you would have to somehow convince your security people to put them on or get them implanted before the apocalyptic scenario happens, which seems like a tough sell even for someone with Altman's business acumen.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

#170
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In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

The type of person who posts here is unlikely to be the type of criminal that does that sort of thing. The virtue signaling is well-noted - good to have good citizens on here with strongly-worded top posts that get upvoted to the top.

I'm just waiting for dang, et. al to fix our thread voting system as it's a little too Reddity around here these last days.

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