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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by yetihehe »

jbxntuehineoh wrote: post #246
mcdeltat wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently saw a lecture by neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky [1] which discussed the complexities of human violence. We both condone and don't condone violence all the time, depending on social context. And furthers, our ways of expressing violence are varied (even down to tiny things like the silent treatment). We (along with other animals) have always used aggression to enforce social order and obtain social benefit.…

only on this site would people need a neuroscience lecture to understand elements of human nature that are apparent to most elementary schoolers

I believe that unique community of HN consist mostly of individuals that weren't able to fully understand those elements of human nature as elementary (and sometimes high-school) schoolers. I stand as one example of such person, it took me about 30 years before I understood that I lacked such innate understanding at school.

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Post by abenga »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #83
ropetin wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I 100% do not support violence against Sam Altman, or anyone else for that matter, what are people without billions of dollars and without the ear of the president supposed to do to affect change in this modern, post-capitalist hellscape? And I am genuinely interested in ideas that people think will work, not just trying to be combative.

> what are people without billions of dollars and without the ear of the president supposed to do to affect change in this modern, post-capitalist hellscape? California has a referendum system. Get signatures for a policy and put it to the voters.

The billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #181
refurb wrote: post #159

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Organize, petition your representative and vote. The people saying it doesn’t work are the same people who can’t must the effort to even contact their representative. I had a professor in college who was big on entrepreneurship. So he formed an organization, got others involved, went to Washington to lobby his rep. His rep said “let’s do it”, and sat him down with her staff to write a bill . That bill was brought to…

> I had a professor in college who was big on entrepreneurship. So he formed an organization, got others involved, went to Washington to lobby his rep. His rep said “let’s do it”, and sat him down with her staff to write a bill. That bill was brought to the floor for a vote and passed. Until you’ve done that, dont complain the system doesn’t work This is a sign of the system not working. A well connected professor, w…

> A well connected professor, with plenty of free time

And not only that but one who was "big on entrepreneurship!" Guy wasn't really rocking the boat, was he?

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by abenga »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #49
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

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They’re some combination of deranged, depressed and looking for a thrill. In most countries they fail to stab someone. Here they have guns.

Before passing judgment consider that while you may have the privilege of posting from a country that's never had to fight for relief from tyranny, that's not necessarily the case for others.

> a country that's never had to fight for relief from tyranny

Do you have an example of such a country?

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Post by sph »

qmr wrote: post #257
wolvesechoes wrote: post #221

Somewhat funny to read all these holy, well-tamed, moral people condemning violence with most dumb, ungrounded "violence bad" that cannot even hold a second of scrutiny. Yes, violence shouldn't be the first resort, and when violence is unleashed innocent suffer as well, but there is a great difference between choosing not to use violence due to whatever consideration, and being so toothless and tamed that a sight of…

I agree. A lot of commenters who have probably had privileged lives and never faced a situation where violence was, in fact, the answer.

And they live in a country where the industry of violence is the largest slice of government budget.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by sph »

maplethorpe wrote: post #136

I feel like Altman's PR team is dropping the ball. We somehow need to get the word out that AI tools will benefit all of humanity, not detract from it.

People are stupid, but not stupid enough not to see right through the lie that AI will benefit all of humanity. This is exactly why they are throwing molotovs at his house.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by sph »

nickvec wrote: post #174
GeoSys wrote: post #24

Any word on the motivation of the attach? Any manifesto or a group taking responsibility?

Just speculating, but I assume the motivation is in a similar vein to the Stop AI movement. https://www.stopai.info/

Thank you for the heads up.

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Post by Teever »

mcdeltat wrote: post #201
minimaxir wrote: post #194

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Because people might have missed it last thread, here's dang's response to the discourse: > I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this communit…

I recently saw a lecture by neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky [1] which discussed the complexities of human violence. We both condone and don't condone violence all the time, depending on social context. And furthers, our ways of expressing violence are varied (even down to tiny things like the silent treatment). We (along with other animals) have always used aggression to enforce social order and obtain social benefit.…

There's also the international angle here.

How is a person from a nation that the US President has threatened to annex or invade supposed to feel about seeing domestic violence in the United States? From their perspective a divided United States is less of a personal threat to them.

All this talk about how 'we can't have this in a democracy!' forgets that many of us don't live in that particular democracy, and that particular democracy is threatening other democracies.

What should my response be if a North Korean General is executed? Or if a Russian oligarch 'falls out a window'? Or a corrupt Mexican politician is beheaded by a rival cartel?

These American oligarchs aren't my countrymen, They don't have my best interests in mind, they fund the people who threaten my country, and now they provide the American military with technology that it can use to attack my country.

Their lobbying and campaign contributes have resulted in a Mad King waging an unwinnable war that has severely damaged the global economy and has made my life demonstrably worse. I have never done anything to these people and yet they callously did this to all of us for personal profit well beyond what any human being could never need in a thousand life times.

At the end of the day the less cohesive the American tribe is the better off my tribe is. I wish our incentives were aligned but they just aren't and I am not in any way responsible for that.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by s_trumpet »

I am seeing information about the attacker that show he was being influenced by Rationalist thinkers - he posted about “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies” by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares.

This information of course might be false, so take the words below with a grain of salt. I might be completely wrong.

When an influential group in the Valley that has ties to many tech companies spends years speading rhetoric about “bombing data centers” or the title of the book above, I fear this kind of psychosis is inevitable. People in this thread are focusing on labour and AI issues as the motivation but I am afraid the problem might be closer to home.

Disclaimer: I am not American, just an outside observer.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by samrus »

furyofantares wrote: post #108
samrus wrote: post #94

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Interesting way to put it. If it did solve problems, you would be ok with it happening?

They're just speaking to a hypothetical person who thinks this will solve a problem. In no way does their post imply they'd be ok with it if it solved some problem. A little wild to me that so many of the replies don't understand that.

No no i do get that of course, and i agree. Its just that the thing that struck me about the phrasing was that its a bit revealing. We are reviled by violance but we do allow its use in society everyday. But what violance and for what utility is acceptable seems to be a matter of debate. The line doesnt seem to be universally agreed on given the passion seen in this thread
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