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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by mcdeltat »

minimaxir wrote: post #194
avaer wrote: post #7

In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

Because people might have missed it last thread, here's dang's response to the discourse: > I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this communit…

I recently saw a lecture by neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky [1] which discussed the complexities of human violence. We both condone and don't condone violence all the time, depending on social context. And furthers, our ways of expressing violence are varied (even down to tiny things like the silent treatment). We (along with other animals) have always used aggression to enforce social order and obtain social benefit.

Perhaps something to think about in a scenario like this. Personally I think it's interesting that some people are so quick to condone aggressive attacks on powerful people, yet have no comment on those powerful people committing lower levels of violence against the masses. It's all social context.

[1] https://youtu.be/GRYcSuyLiJk?si=HhnAUKelmR7igO9x

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by [deleted] »

mancerayder wrote: post #170
avaer wrote: post #7

In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

The type of person who posts here is unlikely to be the type of criminal that does that sort of thing. The virtue signaling is well-noted - good to have good citizens on here with strongly-worded top posts that get upvoted to the top. I'm just waiting for dang, et. al to fix our thread voting system as it's a little too Reddity around here these last days.

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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by remarkEon »

mbgerring wrote: post #182
tavavex wrote: post #167

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To me it increasingly seems like there's no version of reality where doing anything will solve the problem, unless you're one of the special few people who can influence the world. The violence is a sign of that. Average people don't do things like these, but when they start feeling helpless, the most unstable people of that society that don't have anything to lose will start acting more erratically. If there's no pr…

We invented something called “democracy” to fix this, and then we allowed enough wealth to accumulate that the wealthy just bought it and nerfed it. We went through a cycle like this once before in U.S. history, and the amount of violence it took to correct the overreach of organized money was not 0.

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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by kazinator »

mbgerring wrote: post #182
tavavex wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it increasingly seems like there's no version of reality where doing anything will solve the problem, unless you're one of the special few people who can influence the world. The violence is a sign of that. Average people don't do things like these, but when they start feeling helpless, the most unstable people of that society that don't have anything to lose will start acting more erratically. If there's no pr…

We invented something called “democracy” to fix this, and then we allowed enough wealth to accumulate that the wealthy just bought it and nerfed it. We went through a cycle like this once before in U.S. history, and the amount of violence it took to correct the overreach of organized money was not 0.

That was a design feature of democracy all along, not a bug.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by leaves83829 »

achierius wrote: post #177
leaves83829 wrote: post #74

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but we haven't even proven that AI will destroy vast amounts of jobs. Some, sure, junior software engineers are in trouble. but other then that, do we really have any quantified evidence as to how many jobs have been displaced by AI? i've been looking for numbers on this but it all seems murky and wishy washy. i'm open to be convinced, if anyone's got numbers. also, if the worst case scenario does happen and most of…

Do you expect people to wait by while billionaires pour trillions of dollars into replacing them? Evidence takes years to mount; present events are moving far faster than that. Your argument is the exact same as that of COVID denialists in 2019 -- that we don't know how bad it'll be yet, that there's so little evidence, that we shouldn't jump to hasty action before getting results in. Empiricism can only go so far. I…

>> Do you expect people to wait by while billionaires pour trillions of dollars into replacing them?

Well, I tried to warn my family and friends and they're looking at me like I'm crazy. So yes, I think most people will just treat all their layoffs like it's just a regular recession. Until, at least half your friends are laid off, most people won't be any more alarmed than if in a recession.

>> If you have so little attachment to your money, why hold on to it at all?

You'll need whatever you have left. The barter economy won't take the place of the primary economy, rather it will supplement it with transactions between members who have no currency. but, there will always be some things that you want to get from the primary economy, if you can.

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Post by tptacek »

asadotzler wrote: post #161
tptacek wrote: post #128

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I'm walking away because there's nothing more to be said. The idea that there has to be a last word in all these threads that satisfies everybody, including random people who weren't even participating, is part of what makes these threads so awful. I'm not going to keep a slapfight going just to entertain you. Deal with it.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

hax0ron3 wrote: post #169
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #163

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> why would his security people bother to keep taking orders from him Shock collars / implanted brain bombs would be my evil plan, but he's got smarter people than me on this so who knows?

Yeah, I guess the practical problem with shock collars / implanted brain bombs is that you would have to somehow convince your security people to put them on or get them implanted before the apocalyptic scenario happens, which seems like a tough sell even for someone with Altman's business acumen.

Nah you just tell them it's rfid chips to get into the bunker.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by tptacek »

existencebox wrote: post #155
tptacek wrote: post #148

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We went to different high schools in the 1990s, because that isn't at all what I was taught.

While I typically avoid touching non-technical topics, I have the opportunity to chime in as another PA highschooler from the 90's, we absolutely were taught that, down to details in AP courses such as the impact of individuals like John Brown. While I'm not sure I'd have worded it precisely like the parent, the concept of "the four boxes of liberty" and the progression thereof was certainly understood and conveyed.…

I went to Jesuit high school in Chicago in the early 1990s. There's a lot more to say about all of this stuff and nothing wrong with what you just said, but to hash it out any further, we'd have to attempt a philosophical discussion about violence in a forum that (unavoidably, and to the consternation of its moderators) has reward circuits wired around hyping up action.

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Post by andsoitis »

hackable_sand wrote: post #114
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

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They’re some combination of deranged, depressed and looking for a thrill. In most countries they fail to stab someone. Here they have guns.

You can't keep marginalizing people and expecting stability. Here's your canary.

> You can't keep marginalizing people and expecting stability.

People who shoot someone or throw bombs at someone even though that someone never did something against them, should be marginalized. In prison.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by remarkEon »

the_gastropod wrote: post #82
arcfour wrote: post #51

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"The other side are where all of the bad guys and crazy violent lunatics are. The side I align with is the only sensible one; we would never do anything like that." This sort of thinking causes extremism and division. It only perpetuates more of the thing you don't want! It's also empirically not true: there are crazy people on both sides, but most people are pretty reasonable. If you treat them as if they are, despi…

Nope. Both sides are not equivalent. The political right, in the U.S., has been significantly more violent than the political left for quite some time. And it’s not even close. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9335287/

Is this why shop owners board their windows and doors up every time there’s an [insert left wing cause] protest in their area? I haven’t kept up but was Charlie Kirk’s assassin a left or right winger, or one of those horseshoe fellas.
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