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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by arcfour »

esbranson wrote: post #18
avaer wrote: post #7

In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

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"The other side are where all of the bad guys and crazy violent lunatics are. The side I align with is the only sensible one; we would never do anything like that."

This sort of thinking causes extremism and division. It only perpetuates more of the thing you don't want!

It's also empirically not true: there are crazy people on both sides, but most people are pretty reasonable. If you treat them as if they are, despite your differences, they won't feel so alienated and perhaps you can both have a productive conversation. Both sides views are then likely to soften, and you can maybe even start working together.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by d3ff »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19
d3ff wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not really about that though is it? The people who are doing this stuff are unhinged but why? Perhaps they do not trust law and order. Perhaps they feel helpless and have been led to believe its over for the labour class due to the overhyped marketing and so on. A serious frank conversation needs to be had and the hyping needs to stop.

They’re some combination of deranged, depressed and looking for a thrill. In most countries they fail to stab someone. Here they have guns.

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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by testaccount28 »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #37
Fricken wrote: post #6

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The fact that he would rather live in an underground bunker (than simply not let things get that out of hand) says a lot about his humanity.

do you hold Altman solely responsible for everything on earth?

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

poszlem wrote: post #48
hx8 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more we treat it like a democracy, the more democratic it is. The more we treat it like an oligarchy, the less democratic it is.

Treating a rigged game as fair doesn't make it fair, it just makes you easier to beat.

> Treating a rigged game as fair doesn't make it fair, it just makes you easier to beat

Not playing at all makes you easier to beat still. Anyone pining for civil war should vacation in a war zone first. It’s difficult to encapsulate the privilege of peace until it’s been lost.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by d3ff »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #49
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re some combination of deranged, depressed and looking for a thrill. In most countries they fail to stab someone. Here they have guns.

Before passing judgment consider that while you may have the privilege of posting from a country that's never had to fight for relief from tyranny, that's not necessarily the case for others.

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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by threatofrain »

rvz wrote: post #39
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

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Well folks who know about the Unabomber manifesto by Ted Kaczynski will see this attack as unsurprising, and Sam knows this sort of attack was expected; false flag or not. It is not okay. But if we don't have any solution to the ramifications of what really is "AGI" then it unfortunately won't be the last. Welcome to "AGI".

People can think of ML on a government level, but it has an inescapably international dimension as a kind of gunpowder-like discovery. Relatedly, if war becomes increasingly automated and cheap, then civilian targets will be seen as obvious.

As we discuss policy ideas to pump the breaks on a domestic level, I hope we balance that against the arms race that's happening around the world.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by afpx »

tptacek wrote: post #42
avaer wrote: post #7

In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.

This is obviously true, but you're just inviting the rebuttals. Arguments that civil violence is unproductive are boring and obvious. Normal people have been acculturated to understand the point already. The only way to have an "interesting" conversation about this is to take the other side. All of those arguments will be vile, as they have to be given the context. I'm not criticizing you, and I guess I'm glad someon…

In high school the 90s, I learned about what the founding fathers said about violence. But, I guess that's too 18th century now.
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