Crazy, as bad of a person as I think Altman is, he isn't even the worst AI CEO. But even the worst of them doesn't deserve this.
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#102Political violence is not acceptable in a democracy. Full stop, no "but". That's all that needs to be said on this thread.
sure it is. what a ridiculous comment. go read how this country was formed, or how the civil war was resolved, or...
you can disagree that this was necessary, which I'd agree with.
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#103Crazy, as bad of a person as I think Altman is, he isn't even the worst AI CEO. But even the worst of them doesn't deserve this.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, French Revolution was pretty peaceful
> French Revolution was pretty peaceful The elites after the French Revolution were not only mostly the same as before, they escaped with so much money and wealth that it’s actually debated if they increased their wealth share through the chaos [1]. [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/650023
Do you have any suggestions for a real peaceful approach to get rid of the French royalty?
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#105Political violence is not acceptable in a democracy. Full stop, no "but". That's all that needs to be said on this thread.
I get the sentiment but this is disengenuous. Political violence built this democracy
I believe it doesn't matter. You see, if you try applying this trick to different traits of a society, it would lead to conclusions like: it is impossible for us to build an environmentally conscious society because we come here by being environmentally unconscious. It is a historical determinism, and it just don't work. For example, Europe was mostly a constant war between states, but after WWII it managed to come to EU. No more wars between European countries. Or U.S. was a country of slavers and racists, and it managed to change itself. It is still not perfect, as I hear, but at least there are no more slavery or segregation, and racism is not accepted anymore.
The long gone history of a country is not a something that should be allowed to determine its modern narratives. You shouldn't forget your history, but there are limits you shouldn't cross. When I hear arguments going back for centuries, it is a red flag for me. It is most likely a propaganda.
Psychologists talk about two common failing of their clients. People often fixate over the past or they fixate over the future, while forgetting about the present. The healthy approach is to keep a good balance between the past, the future, and the present, with a strong accent on the present. The history determinism reminds me a lot of the over-fixation on the past, and propaganda actively tries to unsettle balances in people's minds and fixate them on anything but the present.
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#106In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.
This is obviously true, but you're just inviting the rebuttals. Arguments that civil violence is unproductive are boring and obvious. Normal people have been acculturated to understand the point already. The only way to have an "interesting" conversation about this is to take the other side. All of those arguments will be vile, as they have to be given the context. I'm not criticizing you, and I guess I'm glad someon…
You've basically just said anyone who doesn't hold the "approved" opinion is wrong and then you called them names. But you wrapped it in extra words so that it's less flagrant.
Did you ever think that maybe people do in fact believe what they say they believe?
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The other side are where all of the bad guys and crazy violent lunatics are. The side I align with is the only sensible one; we would never do anything like that." This sort of thinking causes extremism and division. It only perpetuates more of the thing you don't want! It's also empirically not true: there are crazy people on both sides, but most people are pretty reasonable. If you treat them as if they are, despi…
Nope. Both sides are not equivalent. The political right, in the U.S., has been significantly more violent than the political left for quite some time. And it’s not even close. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9335287/
Does it really matter who is more violent? The fact of the matter is both sides do have a nonzero amount of crazy/violent people and both sides could treat the other with more respect instead of furthering division.
You will notice I never said that both sides have the same amount of violence (since I don't think that that's actually relevant), so you are responding to a point I never made to begin with.
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#108In case someone reading this is thinking similar thoughts: there's no version of reality where doing this will solve any problem. Don't.
Interesting way to put it. If it did solve problems, you would be ok with it happening?
They're just speaking to a hypothetical person who thinks this will solve a problem. In no way does their post imply they'd be ok with it if it solved some problem.
A little wild to me that so many of the replies don't understand that.
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#109Look, I think Sam Altman is a terrible person too, but to anyone reading that hates people like him as much as I do you should want him alive while we work to build a world where he can live out a long life in complete safety, in prison.
Violence never solves anything. You will never make anything in this world better by becoming a worse person than your enemies.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’re some combination of deranged, depressed and looking for a thrill. In most countries they fail to stab someone. Here they have guns.
Before passing judgment consider that while you may have the privilege of posting from a country that's never had to fight for relief from tyranny, that's not necessarily the case for others.
Tyranny of a bunch of rich white men having to pay taxes lol.
There's a reason the founding fathers all had slaves; they weren't the common folk.