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Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by lxgr »

anonym29 wrote: post #75
lxgr wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it's also pretty clunky for tax reasons in many places and inherently deflationary (and as such problematic from an economic point of view). Sure, great if you don't trust your government or whoever issues your local currency, but if you can, there are better alternatives. Trust is an asset, not just a liability.

Well-placed trust is a small asset, but misplaced trust is a massive liability.

It might not always be warranted, but where it was, increased trust in society, institutions, and systems has been the enabler for economic growth and human development in the past centuries. Talk it down at your own (or more accurately, at all our) peril.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by lxgr »

gambiting wrote: post #78
lxgr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is indeed one of the biggest weaknesses of "pull-based" payment cards, and something most if not all natively phone-based methods do better. The best credit and debit cards can do is PIN verification or biometrics (for Apple/Google Pay), but even there you still trust the terminal to not show you a different amount than you'll be charged (assuming the screen is even pointing towards you; I've often been asked to…

>>Is this the flow for online payments as well, or only for in-person payments? works for both

Interesting, I wonder if there is some other initiation channel then? The chance of collisions with random 6-digit codes seems non-negligible.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lxgr wrote: post #74
gambiting wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many countries have alternatives already. In Poland Blik is ubiquitous and very very easy to use. And I love how it's implemented, Visa and MasterCard could learn from it. Tldr - you open the app on your phone and it gives you a 6 digit BLIK code, you give that code to the seller, then a notification comes up on the app saying "seller X is trying to debit your account by amount Y, agree?". It's brilliant because then…

This is indeed one of the biggest weaknesses of "pull-based" payment cards, and something most if not all natively phone-based methods do better. The best credit and debit cards can do is PIN verification or biometrics (for Apple/Google Pay), but even there you still trust the terminal to not show you a different amount than you'll be charged (assuming the screen is even pointing towards you; I've often been asked to…

> Is this the flow for online payments as well, or only for in-person payments?

On-line, too. Or should I say, first, because AFAIK on-line came first. I've been using it for years as my default on-line payment method where available, before noticing it becoming an option on POS terminals.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by Cider9986 »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #5

1bil+ people have surrendered their right to artistic expression to Google, and another 1bil+ to Apple, and another 1bil+ to Microsoft. Many more billions have surrendered it to Visa and Mastercard. The world will only continue to get worse for the foreseeable future as five corporations assert global control over what is allowed to be published. It is mournful knowing that humanity's peak is behind us.

Monero, or honestly any cryptocurrency is a huge improvement on trad payment processors.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by [deleted] »

lxgr wrote: post #24
anonymous908213 wrote: post #5

1bil+ people have surrendered their right to artistic expression to Google, and another 1bil+ to Apple, and another 1bil+ to Microsoft. Many more billions have surrendered it to Visa and Mastercard. The world will only continue to get worse for the foreseeable future as five corporations assert global control over what is allowed to be published. It is mournful knowing that humanity's peak is behind us.

Hey, on the other hand, zero malware! It is zero, right? Please say it's zero... Just today I found a malicious version of Ledger on the macOS app store. It's been there for five weeks , and there are already some anecdotes out there of people losing their coins. I guess that's somehow the developer's fault for not "staking their claim" to their name, as Apple seems to only monitor for malicious duplicate submissions…

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Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

gambiting wrote: post #18
oceansky wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brazil and India have created alternatives to Mastercard/Visa duopoly. EU is seeking to do the same.

Many countries have alternatives already. In Poland Blik is ubiquitous and very very easy to use. And I love how it's implemented, Visa and MasterCard could learn from it. Tldr - you open the app on your phone and it gives you a 6 digit BLIK code, you give that code to the seller, then a notification comes up on the app saying "seller X is trying to debit your account by amount Y, agree?". It's brilliant because then…

That's the problem. Every country has an alternative or ten, but what people actually need is one system that works across borders. That's the only way it reaches enough critical mass to be useful internationally beyond the EU, which nowadays is a requirement for it to be able to replace Visa/Mastercard in a decade or so.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lxgr wrote: post #82
gambiting wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Is this the flow for online payments as well, or only for in-person payments? works for both

Interesting, I wonder if there is some other initiation channel then? The chance of collisions with random 6-digit codes seems non-negligible.

I've been wondering this too. As I understand it, BLIK codes are generated on the back-end, so I imagine they have some clever anti-collision measures in place. What I know is:

- The TTL of the code is variable; on some days I've noticed it to be as low as 60 seconds, on others around 3+ minutes. Not sure if it depends on the type of transaction or time of day.

- After entering the code in charging widget/terminal, or giving it to a merchant, you still get a screen on which you need to explicitly confirm the transaction; it displays the amount and name of charging entity, so this would presumably reduce the impact of possible collision.

- Sometimes the codes generate instantly, sometimes it takes a few seconds; I always assumed it's network connection lag and/or usual webshit performance issues, but it would also be consistent with an anti-collision measure - if you run out of 6-digit codes, wait a second or two, some will free up.

- Not once I've heard any report or rumor about a collision.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by echelon »

throwaway2046 wrote: post #67
bengotow wrote: post #7

Just want to drive by and mention - a friend told me to play DDLC and I was highly skeptical given the anime pin-up girl art style. I eventually gave in and gave it a shot. It's an amazing "playable story" unlike anything I have ever played. Super creative and well worth the couple hours it takes to play. I think it could use a few trigger warnings and it should be rated PG-13 / R, but there's stuff on Netflix 10x mo…

The official website states on the front page: This game is not suitable for children or those who are easily disturbed.

We do not need our hyperscaler minders telling us what content we can and cannot consume.

This ought to be grounds to litigate antitrust. This should not be happening.

We need web-based app installs without scare walls ("downloading from the internet is dangerous"), without hidden settings menus to enable them ("Settings > Apps > Special app access > Install unknown apps"), and without any interference or meddling from the hyperscalers.

Tyranny of defaults = 0.00001% of users will ever fall into these buckets = Google knows exactly the evil shit they're doing. Apple not even allowing it is almost less evil by contrast as they're not pretending.

These devices are too important for two companies to lord over us and tell us what to do.

I hope Lina Khan comes back, and I hope she has some absolute urgency next time. I also hope our pals in the EU and Asia put this shit to rest as well. No citizen of the world should have their devices cucking them like this. This is not what computing is supposed to be. (And let's not discount the fact that competition on these devices is in no way, shape, or form fair anymore. You're taxed to hell and back if you do distribution or outreach on these garrison states.)

These our our devices, Google and Apple. You do not get to control what happens after we buy them. You are both monopolies. You are both allelopathic parasites. Invasive species that have outgrown your ecosystem and invaded all the other ones. Doing damage to everything you touch.

The world needs a cleansing forest fire to restore healthy competition.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by stavros »

For those of us who didn't know the game but want to try it due to the Streisand effect, is there an official APK download? Since it's free on Steam, I thought the official website might list an APK, but I haven't found anything other than the Play link.

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by stavros »

echelon wrote: post #88
throwaway2046 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The official website states on the front page: This game is not suitable for children or those who are easily disturbed.

We do not need our hyperscaler minders telling us what content we can and cannot consume. This ought to be grounds to litigate antitrust. This should not be happening. We need web-based app installs without scare walls ("downloading from the internet is dangerous"), without hidden settings menus to enable them ("Settings > Apps > Special app access > Install unknown apps"), and without any interference or meddling fr…

This should already be illegal under the DMA. I don't know how Google is planning to get out of it.
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