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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by JoshTriplett »

Dibby053 wrote: post #130

Going to play devil's advocate here but I suspect if Cloudflare had been more cooperative about taking down illegal content, LaLiga would not have resorted to blanket blocking individual IPs. I would really like to understand more about the process that they should follow but didn't / followed but didn't satisfy them / doesn't exist, in order to remove infringing websites quickly from CloudFlare.

LaLiga wanted the right to tell Cloudflare to block specific sites without going through a court.

Cloudflare, rightfully, said that was ridiculous and unreasonable.

A Spanish court, wrongfully, decided to let LaLiga block all of Cloudflare.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by fc417fc802 »

petcat wrote: post #29
sph wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct, but Cloudflare is still a cancer on the Internet.

Rampant bot traffic and scrapers are the real cancer. Until that goes away everyone is going to need cloudflare or some other bot firewall service.

Those are easy enough to dissuade with readily available PoW solutions. People use CF & co. out of convenience, the exact same reason that most websites load resources from at least half a dozen third parties instead of self hosting.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

tom1337 wrote: post #64
mrvaibh wrote: post #39

This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism. Cloudflare hosts hundreds of thousands of services behind shared IP ranges — blocking one IP to stop a piracy stream takes out everything else on that IP, including Docker registries, API endpoints, and CDNs that have nothing to do with football. The real fix on your end until Spain sorts this out: set up a pull-through regis…

just wait until they block Azure as well so the official La Liga site also stops working

Dumb question but why don’t the pirate sites all host on Azure if Cloudflare is blocked and Azure isn’t?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by tom1337 »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #204
tom1337 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just wait until they block Azure as well so the official La Liga site also stops working

Dumb question but why don’t the pirate sites all host on Azure if Cloudflare is blocked and Azure isn’t?

i have no data to back this up but in the past cloudflare was much more lax with piracy sites and I can imagine that Azure is stricter with blocking them

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by fc417fc802 »

blurb4969 wrote: post #200
fc417fc802 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think perhaps there's a difference in expectations between wartime versus a country at peace going after pirates.

I wanted to say that Internet freedom dismantlement is a global trend.

Fair enough, I completely agree. However in the case of Russia specifically, I understand that at one point Ukrainian drones were making routine use of mobile internet within the county. Temporary internet whitelists seem like a reasonable alternative to complete blackouts in that scenario. There are plenty of historic examples of malware using just about any communication platform for the C&C transport.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by amarant »

swiftcoder wrote: post #196
amarant wrote: post #168

I had to Google why this happens, blocking cloudflare during football games seems.. Arbitrary, to say the least. Maybe something to do with hooligans trashing entire cities when their team loses? I could almost get behind that, if I thought it would work.. But no, it's apparently to stop piracy!? Turning off half the internet, and mostly the legitimate parts at that (since when do pirates use cloudflare?) seems like…

> Someone ought to start streaming those games illegally without using cloudflare just to demonstrate how stupid this policy is Oh, the icing on the cake is that they already do. While my whole dev stack gets shut off every weekend, my neighbour watches pirate futbol streams just fine - not only is it a stupid policy, it's an ineffective one, and the pirates bypassed the bans ages ago

Makes you wonder why they keep the ban up? Are more people watching more football now that everything else stops working during matches?

Talk about unfair business practices!

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by joquarky »

ryandrake wrote: post #122
spwa4 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you must realize, the alternative to this is that some very wealthy Spanish companies ... lose a small amount of money. Surely you understand now. Go about your business, poor person.

They don't even "lose a small amount of money." They simply gain less money than usual for a short period of time. Think of how rough that is for them.

I once remember reading an article about shareholders selling off a stock because the rate of increase in profit had slowed.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by fc417fc802 »

necovek wrote: post #189
fc417fc802 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That became a popular refrain at some point but the truth of it varies. In fact many political issues are brought about by technical changes so obviously the reverse must be possible as well. What technical solutions can't change is the underlying social dynamics.

Even that is IMO untrue: "technical solutions" have indeed changed society at large quite significantly; eg. "social media" is one very influential example, "smart phone" is another, "internet" itself, etc.

Aren't you agreeing with me? None of those things changed the underlying social dynamics that humans exhibit but they nonetheless affected widespread social and political change.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by joquarky »

tom1337 wrote: post #64
mrvaibh wrote: post #39

This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism. Cloudflare hosts hundreds of thousands of services behind shared IP ranges — blocking one IP to stop a piracy stream takes out everything else on that IP, including Docker registries, API endpoints, and CDNs that have nothing to do with football. The real fix on your end until Spain sorts this out: set up a pull-through regis…

just wait until they block Azure as well so the official La Liga site also stops working

Sounds like the answer here is to host alt streams on Azure.
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