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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by estebarb »

freetanga wrote: post #40
danirod wrote: post #30

Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

At this point the protests should be against the matches themselves. But let's be honest: nobody cares anymore.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by swiftcoder »

toast0 wrote: post #162
tryauuum wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions

It depends on what the political system is trying to do. A VPN won't help against government blanket outages, where the target is complete control of communications, and attempts to circumvent may result in extreme penalty. In this case, where the government policy is to stop unauthorized streaming, and collatoral damage is acceptable, a VPN hosted in a more favorable location is likely to work enough. Afaik, I don't…

> Afaik, I don't think Spain has the political appetite to block VPNs and such during football matches

Unfortunately nobody is quite sure what appetite they have, because LaLiga is doing this all on the back of a relatively narrow judicial ruling that hasn't been reviewed in a long time

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by swiftcoder »

Pay08 wrote: post #178
michaelt wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast. Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between…

So what, do they just block a range of IP addresses and are then done with it?

technically, LaLiga themselves doesn't even do the blocking. They have a court order from some years ago that allows them to compel all the individual ISPs to block any IP addresses they specify, with no oversight or review

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by necovek »

ryandrake wrote: post #122
spwa4 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you must realize, the alternative to this is that some very wealthy Spanish companies ... lose a small amount of money. Surely you understand now. Go about your business, poor person.

They don't even "lose a small amount of money." They simply gain less money than usual for a short period of time. Think of how rough that is for them.

I think it's even that they "gain less money than they could if everyone watching illegally would pay for it when they could not watch illegally" (that's usually how companies crying "piracy" calculate "losses" — "let's assume everyone watching illegally would certainly still watch it and pay the full price").

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by rock_artist »

embedding-shape wrote: post #79
freetanga wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

If anyone who’s capable in Spain set a petition or the relevant steps and put it on HN. I’m pretty sure any Spanish resident in HN would be more than happy to take part even if it means to send a Bizum for the cause.

(Sadly as living in Spain for about a year I’m still not in such place to raise this or understand the full steps needed)

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by swiftcoder »

amarant wrote: post #168

I had to Google why this happens, blocking cloudflare during football games seems.. Arbitrary, to say the least. Maybe something to do with hooligans trashing entire cities when their team loses? I could almost get behind that, if I thought it would work.. But no, it's apparently to stop piracy!? Turning off half the internet, and mostly the legitimate parts at that (since when do pirates use cloudflare?) seems like…

> Someone ought to start streaming those games illegally without using cloudflare just to demonstrate how stupid this policy is

Oh, the icing on the cake is that they already do. While my whole dev stack gets shut off every weekend, my neighbour watches pirate futbol streams just fine - not only is it a stupid policy, it's an ineffective one, and the pirates bypassed the bans ages ago

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by swiftcoder »

pfortuny wrote: post #147

> instado por la Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional y por Telefónica Audiovisual Digital, (The trial was initiated by LaLiga and Telefonica...). "Telefonica" is the (exclusive) distributor for the rights of streaming the matches, and is only (of course?) the main consumer (and business) Telco in Spain: they are in a game they cannot lose. This is such an abuse and no government (this, past, whichever) has done anyth…

It is also educational to look up the overlap between Telefonica directors, LaLiga directors, and the government officials who granted the defacto monopoly

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by blurb4969 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #190
blurb4969 wrote: post #176

Welcome to the club, buddies! Here, in Russia, the government doesn't care about collateral damage at all when shutting down whole Internet in cities. They turn on white list mode, when only approved sites and IPs work. Businesses stop working and start losing money? They don't care. Important IT systems stop working? They don't care. People can't communicate with each other? Don't care. And seems like it will happen…

I think perhaps there's a difference in expectations between wartime versus a country at peace going after pirates.

I wanted to say that Internet freedom dismantlement is a global trend.
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