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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by iso1631 »

breppp wrote: post #76
jncfhnb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

> But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Past riots were related to women rights or election fraud. The last one were related to the economic situation, but there is a large young population in Iran which aren't religious anymore, and living in an oppressive theocracy

They'll have company soon

https://gtnm.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-theocratic-authorita...

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#92

Post by overfeed »

oa335 wrote: post #82
e-khadem wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's put it this way: Have you seen someone's brain on the sidewalk lately? No? Lost a loved one / a friend / a classmate? Perhaps when people see this (as I have) they find more favorable views of the aerial bombing campaign. For reference, it has been verfied [~] that the regime killed ~220 students just in the recent uprisings of this January. That's a whole school full of students, all under-18. And then you hav…

> No? Lost a loved one / a friend / a classmate? Perhaps when people see this (as I have) Sorry to hear that. Are you currently in Iran now? Or have contact with people in Iran?

> Are you currently in Iran now?

Tel Aviv perhaps? Wartime is the worst time to stage a revolutionary for anyone,specifically because its a induces a state of emergency, and any activities can be construed as aiding the enemy.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#93

Post by YZF »

throwawayheui57 wrote: post #65
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

Iranian here! I want to see the regime answer for its crimes. They act like an occupying force, taking the country hostage. With that being said I don’t like/want the war. I understand and sympathize with the emotional response from my compatriots because they see the oppressors are getting the bloody beating they well deserve. But I don’t really think that the current war brings anything good for the people. I wish…

I am guessing you're not a supported of Reza Pahlavi?

How in your mind do we get to the regime answering for its crimes? What is going to dislodge them? If they are not dislodged and continue to indoctrinate more people where does this go? If they have more weapons where does it go?

Is any chance that some elements within the current regime will change sides? What percent of soldiers or militia are die hard fanatics vs. people who will jump ship if there's a good chance of that "ship" sinking?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#94

Post by nostrademons »

asdff wrote: post #88
payamb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Due to years of corruption and mismanagement, leading to high inflation and high prices most people are below poverty line and living pay check to pay check and they won’t be able to literally feed themselves

This is the thing that is so curious about the concept of the general strike/siezing the means of production. The workers already have seized the means of production. I mean truly. Owner does not have the keys. Some manager unlocks the building for the day. Workers show up to the farm. Everything gets done every day whether the owner is there or across the globe or some dubious llc entity. The only thing the owner fu…

Usually socialist revolutions fail because nobody can agree on who the new leaders should be. Workers seize control of the means of production...and then what? Who determines what they should do with it? Who do they look to for guidance? If you elect/appoint/select someone, now they are the new capitalist. If you don't, the machinery sits idle while various factions fight amongst themselves.

We saw this with Occupy Wall Street and the CHAZ in the U.S - these protests didn't fail because they were crushed, they failed because local police basically let them win and then once they won different factions had different ideas of what to do next. We also see it at the state level with the Soviet Union (where a strong dictatorship did eventually emerge - the communist revolution didn't mean everybody was equal, it just meant some people were more equal than others) and in Vietnam (which became intensely capitalist less than 15 years after the communists won.

The function of the business owner, CEO, or other executive figure is simply to be a symbol of which direction the organization needs to go. They don't do any work themselves, and they are selected for their ability to look pretty and shout platitudes that other people follow. But that symbol is needed to actually get the people moving in one direction.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by pphysch »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

Do you ever think what would happen to them in the West if they weren't vocal opponents of the Iranian state?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by asdff »

nostrademons wrote: post #94
asdff wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the thing that is so curious about the concept of the general strike/siezing the means of production. The workers already have seized the means of production. I mean truly. Owner does not have the keys. Some manager unlocks the building for the day. Workers show up to the farm. Everything gets done every day whether the owner is there or across the globe or some dubious llc entity. The only thing the owner fu…

Usually socialist revolutions fail because nobody can agree on who the new leaders should be. Workers seize control of the means of production...and then what? Who determines what they should do with it? Who do they look to for guidance? If you elect/appoint/select someone, now they are the new capitalist. If you don't, the machinery sits idle while various factions fight amongst themselves. We saw this with Occupy W…

>Workers seize control of the means of production...and then what? Who determines what they should do with it? Who do they look to for guidance? If you elect/appoint/select someone, now they are the new capitalist. If you don't, the machinery sits idle while various factions fight amongst themselves.

And then what is you do what you would have done at work yesterday, today. Same job description as you had previously. Your manager? Same as they were yesterday too. Everything exactly the same. Just some guy you never see is not getting their passive income. No machinery would sit idle for the same reason no machinery sat idle yesterday: people showed up to run it.

This is sort of how it worked in Cuba. Factories were nationalized and people went from working for the man to working for the public. And then the man had no government that would listen to them either. They had to go to the US government, argue that this was some great taking if left unanswered would sure happen all over the US and the rest of the world, and a hasty invasion designed by the US for these business owners to feign any political responsibility was designed, executed, and pushed back on the beachhead by the Cubans. Today the nation of Cuba remains sanctioned because of these owners from decades ago and their descendants, who still represent a significant political influence in south florida congressional districts, still feel like they were robbed by the people they were exploiting.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#97

Post by bjourne »

jncfhnb wrote: post #18
BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

My small anecdata of Iranian friends contradict yours. They are against both the US-Israeli bombings and the Islamic regime. How should be decide whose anecdata is the most trustworthy? Maybe we can use common sense instead and agree that people don't want to be bombed to death regardless of other circumstances?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by overfeed »

jncfhnb wrote: post #66
traceroute66 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the framing here is not “clever, innovative IRGC” I am not seeking to frame anything here. Nor am I interested in getting involved in the broader areas on discussion on the subject. The first few words of my original post made it clear "Looking at it from an alternative angle". An alternative way of wording that would be "devil's advocate". I am just supplying a perfectly reasonable alternative perspective, I a…

I don’t see any alternative angle though. Nobody thinks the IRGC is doing this for fun.

> I don’t see any alternative angle though

I see it, and hadn't fully considered it. Turning off the Internet has more utility than just suppressing the populaces ability to communicate, it also blackholes that compromised mail server used to track the movement of political leaders, any online drop-boxes/Telegram/Whatsapp channels used by cultivated informants/spies are now out of order.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#99

Post by overfeed »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #86

This is the sort of thing the Arsenal of Democracy should be building against. We should be deploying tools to give people voices in hostile places, to get messages out, to collaborate.

See age verification, anti-pornography, and anti-VPN laws popping up like weeds all over democratic countries. Governments everywhere are pushing for more control over who and how people communicate over the Internet, so they can mute certain voices without shutting down the internet like Iran when they deem it necessary

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by mdni007 »

BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

Can you provide a source for any of this that is not just American or Isreali propaganda? Because I know you can't
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