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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

hgoel wrote: post #59
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

Are these Iranian friends and their children the ones at risk the next time the US or Israel "accidentally" double taps civilian infrastructure? The regime will kill you/your loved ones and brand them as criminals if you protest against them or break an unreasonable law, the US and Israel will kill you and brand you as terrorists because you happened to be Iranian and in the wrong place.

My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so. I think the bombing campaign needs to end, so I disagree with them on that. Based on what little we know coming out of Tehran (we only get a few min of landline phone calls from Tehran once a week), the issue is splitting families due to the mental strain it's having. That being said, the overall feeling is very much still pro-US.

I think people outside of Iran/Iranians vastly underestimate the disdain for the Iranian regime. Go watch the movie "It was just an accident" to get a basic feel for how much they hate the regime, then amplify that tenfold.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by oa335 »

e-khadem wrote: post #57
maest wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with me. I am having a very hard time believing anyone would be favourable to the country currently lobbing bombs at them from halfway around the globe. Regardless of how much they dislike their current regime. Maybe this fuels some "everyone loves America, the good guys" fantasy, but, as someone who's come from a country where the…

Let's put it this way: Have you seen someone's brain on the sidewalk lately? No? Lost a loved one / a friend / a classmate? Perhaps when people see this (as I have) they find more favorable views of the aerial bombing campaign. For reference, it has been verfied [~] that the regime killed ~220 students just in the recent uprisings of this January. That's a whole school full of students, all under-18. And then you hav…

> No? Lost a loved one / a friend / a classmate? Perhaps when people see this (as I have)

Sorry to hear that. Are you currently in Iran now? Or have contact with people in Iran?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#83

Post by BigTTYGothGF »

BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

> Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes

Didn't help anybody in Minab.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by blitzar »

rjbwork wrote: post #54
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

It's very easy to offer the lives of others for your goals.

"Some of you May Die, But it's a Sacrifice I am Willing to Make"

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by hgoel »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #81
hgoel wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these Iranian friends and their children the ones at risk the next time the US or Israel "accidentally" double taps civilian infrastructure? The regime will kill you/your loved ones and brand them as criminals if you protest against them or break an unreasonable law, the US and Israel will kill you and brand you as terrorists because you happened to be Iranian and in the wrong place.

My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so. I think the bombing campaign needs to end, so I disagree with them on that. Based on what little we know coming out of Tehran (we only get a few min of landline phone calls from Tehran once a week), the issue is splitting families due to the mental strain it's having. That being said, the overall feeling is very much still pro-US. I think peop…

I was living in Tehran during the 2011-2012 protests, British embassy incident etc (I was ~13 then).

I once attended a military "fair"(?) where they'd show off their equipment and had some anti-US "games", eg one involving throwing a shoe at a target with Obama or maybe Bush's face printed on it, and observed people enthusiastically taking part in it.

My impression was that while people hated and feared the regime, they still broadly shared the anti-foreign intervention stance, particularly against the US. I'm having a hard time believing that they'd still be pro-US after Trump threatened genocide against them.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by mazamats »

hgoel wrote: post #85
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so. I think the bombing campaign needs to end, so I disagree with them on that. Based on what little we know coming out of Tehran (we only get a few min of landline phone calls from Tehran once a week), the issue is splitting families due to the mental strain it's having. That being said, the overall feeling is very much still pro-US. I think peop…

I was living in Tehran during the 2011-2012 protests, British embassy incident etc (I was ~13 then). I once attended a military "fair"(?) where they'd show off their equipment and had some anti-US "games", eg one involving throwing a shoe at a target with Obama or maybe Bush's face printed on it, and observed people enthusiastically taking part in it. My impression was that while people hated and feared the regime, t…

If you weren’t born in that part of the world I would doubt your impressions especially at age 13

Your viewpoint is comes from a different place than that of natives or diaspora

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by asdff »

payamb wrote: post #27
cpncrunch wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wont a general strike work? Not enough support? People have never had freedom, so dont understand they have 100% ability to bring down govt if they wanted?

Due to years of corruption and mismanagement, leading to high inflation and high prices most people are below poverty line and living pay check to pay check and they won’t be able to literally feed themselves

This is the thing that is so curious about the concept of the general strike/siezing the means of production.

The workers already have seized the means of production. I mean truly. Owner does not have the keys. Some manager unlocks the building for the day. Workers show up to the farm. Everything gets done every day whether the owner is there or across the globe or some dubious llc entity. The only thing the owner functionally does, is to be an address on file to send their cut of the profits. Nothing more than a specially designated furnace to burn a subset of the monthly revenue, at least in terms of their actual interaction with their business and their businesses interaction with themselves.

Socialism is as easy as people waking up, going to work as usual, and not mailing that check to the owner. And having the owner go to the police, who in turn tell them "Awe shucks." These are the only conditions for socialism in 2026. Same as they were in 1926. So tantalizingly possible if people were just on board with it and not beholden to capitalism. Propaganda is why there are a subset of workers who will continue to diligently burn revenue for the owner, and why police will ultimately make the choice to sacrifice their own lives for the petty profits of this ownership class versus consider their own position in this world.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by hgoel »

mazamats wrote: post #87
hgoel wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was living in Tehran during the 2011-2012 protests, British embassy incident etc (I was ~13 then). I once attended a military "fair"(?) where they'd show off their equipment and had some anti-US "games", eg one involving throwing a shoe at a target with Obama or maybe Bush's face printed on it, and observed people enthusiastically taking part in it. My impression was that while people hated and feared the regime, t…

If you weren’t born in that part of the world I would doubt your impressions especially at age 13 Your viewpoint is comes from a different place than that of natives or diaspora

That's a fair point

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by beloch »

BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

When a regime starts killing thousands of it's own people it's a sign of weakness, not strength. Iran's theocracy was teetering above the abyss before the U.S. started bombing them.

Now, they're probably good to go for a couple more decades. Trump is precisely the kind of threat Iranians have been warned about since the revolution. When a regime spends almost half a century preparing for something and it finally happens, it earns them considerable forgiveness. Also, nothing unites people quite like a foreign threat, especially one dumb enough to bomb schoolgirls in its opening salvo.

By scuttling the JCPOA for no apparent reason and now invading Iran right when it appeared the regime was crumbling, Trump has single-handedly reinvigorated Iran's theocracy and given them the public support they need for the final push towards nuclear weapons. That's what's so sickening about this invasion. It has acted in diametric opposition to the the policy goals it was purportedly pursuing.

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