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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by peanut-walrus »

tryauuum wrote: post #123
peanut-walrus wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can. Fight with clever technical solutions and the politics will follow once the solution becomes common or displays its usefulness. It is in fact the most effective way to fight dumb political issues.

In my country (Russia) the politics followed, now the ISPs block the OpenVPN and wireguard packets. And sometimes the white list mode is enabled, so you cannot connect, with your clever custom VPN solution, to a host outside the country

And eventually even a worm will turn.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by FireBeyond »

otterley wrote: post #72
Cpoll wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got it backwards. Spain's ISPs are blocking Cloudflare and other CDNs because of LaLiga/football piracy. CloudFlare isn't doing anything here.

I know this is an unpopular opinion among freedom maximalists, but: It’s precisely because CloudFlare isn’t responding like other CDNs to reasonable demands to cut off pirate origin sites that this mess exists. If they reacted quickly to remove configurations that are obviously facilitating copyright infringement, Spain wouldn’t resort to full scale ASN blocking. How do we know it’s CloudFlare? Because other CDNs lik…

> It’s precisely because CloudFlare isn’t responding like other CDNs to reasonable demands to cut off pirate origin sites that this mess exists. If they reacted quickly to remove configurations that are obviously facilitating copyright infringement, Spain wouldn’t resort to full scale ASN blocking.

Apropos of anything else, CF is (reasonably) requiring a court order to remove offending material rather than just "well, company said so, so eh, just do as they say". La Liga complains that "oh, that's too slow for what we want" and just got a blanket ruling.

I am not a fan of CF but your argument seems to be "CF should just roll over any time someone says "hey, delete this", because, obviously, everyone knows it's problematic, right? Right?".

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by fc417fc802 »

KAMSPioneer wrote: post #134
n6242 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Funny enough, I work in IT and I've had to use a VPN to be able to do my job when soccer is on, but my two non-tech-savy family members that do watch soccer using pirate livestreams say that they've never had any issues with blocked streams.

I work in IT and have found that the issue impacts my work but not my ability to stream sports from sites of questionable legality. Of course, I don't pirate La Liga matches but that's primarily because I don't give a shit about soccer. But the point is that the measure does more to block legitimate use than illegitimate (in my experience). And next they want to go after VPNs. Wonderful.

But think of the children ... and futbol!

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by otterley »

FireBeyond wrote: post #173
otterley wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is an unpopular opinion among freedom maximalists, but: It’s precisely because CloudFlare isn’t responding like other CDNs to reasonable demands to cut off pirate origin sites that this mess exists. If they reacted quickly to remove configurations that are obviously facilitating copyright infringement, Spain wouldn’t resort to full scale ASN blocking. How do we know it’s CloudFlare? Because other CDNs lik…

> It’s precisely because CloudFlare isn’t responding like other CDNs to reasonable demands to cut off pirate origin sites that this mess exists. If they reacted quickly to remove configurations that are obviously facilitating copyright infringement, Spain wouldn’t resort to full scale ASN blocking. Apropos of anything else, CF is (reasonably) requiring a court order to remove offending material rather than just "well…

At least the DMCA in the U.S. has guardrails: not just anyone can send a takedown demand for everything. The requester has identify the works and declare under penalty of perjury that they are operating on the behalf of the owner. I imagine the equivalent EU law has similar requirements.

CloudFlare uses legal chicanery to try to subvert the DMCA by claiming that because they’re not the origin server, they’re not subject to takedown demands. So far no court has told them to knock it off. I expect that day will eventually come. Every lawsuit against them to date has ended in a settlement because CloudFlare would rather pay up than get an unfavorable ruling on the books.

CloudFlare has consistently treated loss of DMCA safe harbor protection as a material business risk; it’s been cited in every SEC filing from the 2019 IPO S-1 through the FY2025 10-K.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by blurb4969 »

Welcome to the club, buddies! Here, in Russia, the government doesn't care about collateral damage at all when shutting down whole Internet in cities. They turn on white list mode, when only approved sites and IPs work. Businesses stop working and start losing money? They don't care. Important IT systems stop working? They don't care. People can't communicate with each other? Don't care. And seems like it will happen everywhere else. Sad to see the whole world goes down apart.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by Pay08 »

michaelt wrote: post #63
mr_mitm wrote: post #19

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Why do they do that? Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.

The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast. Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between…

So what, do they just block a range of IP addresses and are then done with it?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by swiftcoder »

Hah. I have had to use a US-based VPN to access GitHub pretty much every weekend lately. La Liga's efforts to curb pirate TV streams are basically undermining the internet itself at this point.

This is also not new behaviour - Theo posted a YouTube about it nearly a year ago[1].

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-geGEYEw7g

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