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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Loughla wrote: post #518
lotsofpulp wrote: post #362

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Good luck taking away the detached single family homes, pickup trucks, SUVs, commercial flights, out of season fruits/vegetables, and imported manufactured goods. The people that expect those things are the “ small number of people hoarding a majority of the wealth”, and there are quite a few of them (probably 1B+ worldwide).

There is a wild difference between asking people not to eat apples in December in the northern hemisphere and asking people not to move wealth around to avoid paying taxes when they have more resources available to them than multiple countries. Comparing middle income 1st world citizens to dragons on their mountains of gold is disingenuous at best.

> Comparing middle income 1st world citizens to dragons on their mountains of gold is disingenuous at best.

Those two groups are on the greater side of the inequality, and the third group is on the lesser side of the inequality. All the dragons on their mountains of gold can stop existing, and the inequality barely changes.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by fwipsy »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #532
fwipsy wrote: post #366

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Actually this is another good counterexample! As I recall, Incas lost battles against the Spaniards where they had something like 100x the numbers. It's true that they were initially divided, but they quickly united against the Spanish--and it didn't really help. The technological advantage was insurmountable.

How could it have been? It wasn’t like they had machine guns. In best case I believe it takes something like a full minute to reload a musket. Zerg rush would be sufficient tactics. 100 yard dash means your hoard of unarmed natives is through the musket range in maybe 10-15 seconds and pulling limbs off the spaniards already. Why this wasn’t done is I think the big mystery and lends credence to the idea of spaniards…

Don't forget horses, armor, and steel weapons. It seems like Incan weapons had a lot of trouble penetrating Spanish armor, while the reverse was not true. Also, the Incas didn't just lack cavalry; they lacked the weapons and tactics to counter cavalry (such as pike formations.)

That said, I was thinking of the Battle of Cajamarca, which was actually a Spanish ambush. 100x was probably overstating it; under other circumstances (e.g. rough terrain) Spanish technology had less of an edge.

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Post by skybrian »

jacquesm wrote: post #310
skybrian wrote: post #225

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There’s a sort of fatalism about violence here, like someone saying that school shootings are always going to happen. It’s true that you or I aren’t likely to do anything about school shootings. But I’m not sure it follows that nothing can be done.

Given enough people enough guns and school shootings are inevitable. Allow a handful of people that grab the economy and all means of production and violence will be the result. At this point in time it is simply cause and effect, the surprising thing to me is how long it is holding together. But at the rate the economy is being wrecked I fail to see how it will do so for much longer. Effectively the French elites st…

Crime isn't a simple cause and effect relationship just because you say it is.

For example, in the US, bomb threats were very common in the early 70's and then they stopped and nobody really knows why.

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Post by booleandilemma »

NoGravitas wrote: post #477
booleandilemma wrote: post #253

I feel like we should start organizing somehow. As programmers, but more importantly, as people. We should start now before the ruling class has no more need of us and it's too late. If anyone knows of anything already happening please let me know. I think it needs to be a grassroots thing because our government's strategy seems to be "let the shit hit the fan and do nothing about it".

Get in contact with the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Thanks

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

eMPee584 wrote: post #227
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #133

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I was thinking about this, if the deaths were actually at the scale of 10's of thousands, would that not be visible from space? The US must have several dozen spy satellites pointed at Iran. We get various imagery to show us successful strikes. Where are the images of the mass slaughter in the street? The number I keep seeing is 30k killed. That's not an easy endeavor over the course of a week without big logistical…

your assumption being the thugs mugging these protesters take care of the dead bodies, which I doubt

piles of bodies on the street would also be visible.

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Post by fn-mote »

rayiner wrote: post #223
DavidPiper wrote: post #221

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I am not at all proposing that "people with billions of dollars" somehow directly pay for "the needs of the population as a whole". I'm considering "actual power", rather than "actual income".

Then who pays for it?

Frankly, the entire world is now paying for what is happening in the US.

Were you talking about specifically how do you restrain the power of massive corporations to harm people? AI is coming but a lot of the other things that are happening are preventable - like the rise of no-benefit gig work.

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Post by Throaway199999 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #395
Throaway199999 wrote: post #170

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When the value of human labour reaches zero the economy will collapse so that will be interesting.

I don't see that as a guaranteed outcome if there's something like UBI to sustain demand, and automation to sustain supply.

UBI is only valuable if money is valuable though...what are you going to trade it for if no one has a job and everyone has access to super powerful production tools like advanced LLMs (which are at the low end of automated tooling overall)?

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Post by Throaway199999 »

guzfip wrote: post #479
Throaway199999 wrote: post #164

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Nothing will ever eliminate the need for those things, people work today for MONEY. If technology eliminates scarcity thats a good thing, it's the hoarding of wealth that causes bloodshed.

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Why would it be bad for technology to get smaller, more productive and exponentially cheaper? As long as its available to everyone, which is impossible to prevent if its really that cheap and trivial to access & create, which is true as long as we have access to tech advanced enough to create it, which we increasingly do at increasingly cheaper and more widespread rates, etc...

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Post by UltraSane »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #530
UltraSane wrote: post #432

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Comparing those people to the richest few thousand people in the US and Europe is very disingenuous.

Yes, but in the opposite way to what you think. Do the math, there's billions of people consuming the overly cheap, massively subsidized goods and services parent listed; there's only so many billionaires and they have only so many billions, and most of it is just fake bullshit accounting paper-shuffling anyway.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Forbes Real-Time Billionaires covers the full ~3,000-person list. The 2025 annual snapshot: 3,028 billionaires with combined net worth of $16.1 trillion

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by titanomachy »

I’m curious what the threshold is where violence IS considered acceptable. A lot of people seem to think that it was acceptable (or even necessary) for America to fight a war for its independence, or for the French commoners to launch the attack on the Tuileries that extinguished a thousand lives and led to the French Republic.

I don’t think that we can know in advance whether history will judge a particular violent act to be “acceptable”, but the rule seems to be more complicated than “violence is never acceptable”.

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