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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by jncfhnb »

mft_ wrote: post #484
jncfhnb wrote: post #364

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Removing a white collar job from the economy puts a worker into the bottom tier _and_ reduces the wages of that bottom tier. We are speeding towards a servant class. Uber was the first wave. Now it’s more mundane things like getting groceries. I doubt it will be long before we rip off the band aid and make full time servants more popular.

You're right, and I think we're slightly at cross purposes. I'm not disagreeing that AI will drive some major societal changes as you outline. My point is that the current narrative of "AI will take our jobs" is too simplistic, and that it might even be a smokescreen against the rising inequality that is already fueling anger across the world and which is totally unrelated to AI. If you're struggling to pay your bill…

I guess I just feel like your appeal to skilled manual workers is pointless. They’re not really the focal point. It’s the large masses of people being relegated to the bin labeled “effectively unskilled”.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by kjkjadksj »

fwipsy wrote: post #366
gherkinnn wrote: post #341

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The initial Spanish conquest of the Inca empire by 168! Spaniards was not a question of disease as much a war of succession the Incas fought amongst themselves that Pizarro knew to exploit. Throw in horses, steel, and gunpowder and you have a one-sided affair.

Actually this is another good counterexample! As I recall, Incas lost battles against the Spaniards where they had something like 100x the numbers. It's true that they were initially divided, but they quickly united against the Spanish--and it didn't really help. The technological advantage was insurmountable.

How could it have been? It wasn’t like they had machine guns. In best case I believe it takes something like a full minute to reload a musket. Zerg rush would be sufficient tactics. 100 yard dash means your hoard of unarmed natives is through the musket range in maybe 10-15 seconds and pulling limbs off the spaniards already.

Why this wasn’t done is I think the big mystery and lends credence to the idea of spaniards having significant force numbers through allies.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by nailer »

stego-tech wrote: post #426
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Weirdly enough, I find that victims of violence who weren’t engaged in a greater act of violence (i.e., the domestic abuse victim versus a soldier in a conflict) are often the staunchest advocates for unwarranted harm towards others to preserve their personal sense of safety. They will carefully carve out a definition of violence that speaks to the specific harm they suffered and requires explicit physical action, an…

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Post by TeMPOraL »

fireflash38 wrote: post #515
Lerc wrote: post #281

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You can, but then what? Do you judge what they say as if their perspective is the same as yours, and then conclude from that context that what they suggest could only come from an evil person. That seems to be what a lot of people do. What if they actually think what they are suggesting is the best thing for the world? How can you tell what is in their minds? Alternately you could criticise their arguments instead of…

Judge people by actions not what they say. You are arguing the opposite, that we should judge by what they say and not what they do?

The problem is that people have a million stories to explain the observed actions, most of those stories are bullshit, and people repeating them know fuck all about the decision-space in which these actions were chosen and taken.

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Post by cyclopeanutopia »

jimmyjazz14 wrote: post #491
John7878781 wrote: post #451

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> it just a statistical model, text-in, text-out (and it humans that feed the input and act on the output). You're not thinking long-term. What happens when AI is put in charge of systems that interact with the physical world?

That is a choice a human made. Imagine if someone proposed sending the outputs of a random number generator to a space laser and had it fire at will, would we blame the number generator for the destruction it causes? You may say that LLMs are not random number generators, and I would somewhat agree, but at least in their current state and level of understanding we have about how they derive their output they might as…

So, imagine that some humans make this choice and then AI autonomously takes over and humans can't stop it anymore. Is that enough to treat AI in such a situation as a magical alien something that can threaten your or my survival?

One thing that the whole AI debate has shown to me is how many people completely lack any sort of imagation.

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Post by jacquesm »

LadyCailin wrote: post #525
ryandrake wrote: post #330

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I really don't understand this "simping online for billionaires" hobby. Is there a signup I missed somewhere, where they pay $100 for every post one makes glazing and defending them as a class?

Well, I’m a billionaire, why would I vote against my own interests. I mean, yes, I’m currently a bit down on my luck (it’s embarrassing, to be honest), but I’m sure my net worth will move right up there with Elon’s very soon, and so it would be foolish for me to support taxes on the wealthy.

We thank you for your patronage and blessings. That's a mighty fine cardboard box you have there.

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Post by nailer »

customguy wrote: post #495
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The sole reason the concept of "physical violence" exists is because violence without that qualifier is not necessarily physical, but still violence.

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Post by akarii »

lumost wrote: post #468
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

So far, AI is a "unique" technology in that the main use case is "work replacement." Consumer applications have only existed to "destroy human creative media with low quality slop". The vast majority of individuals derive no value from AI, they are instead told to do their jobs faster and own the mistakes of the AI for flat/declining pay. It's a bad deal for most people.

AI is not unique in this at all. It's also the goal of almost every technological advancement. The only difference with AI is that it's replacing jobs that people thought could never get replaced.

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Post by plomme »

Supermancho wrote: post #506
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I never understood this take. Why do you think an employer would waste resources like that? I’m not saying that bullshit jobs don’t exist but I think you are off by an order of magnitude, and even that mostly applies to white collar workplaces with > 100 employees. Good luck doing nothing of value in a restaurant with 20 employees.

The more money I've made in tech, the less I've worked. Granted, I have learned a lot and am far more efficient than in the 90s, but the amount of work has decreased substantially. 2011 Tigerlogic in Irvine, CA and 2018 JPMC in Seattle, WA, I would do NOTHING for days while collecting rather nice paychecks by today's standards. The fact I then chose to QUIT these jobs for a rather unknown working situation (and sligh…

How do you “get away” with that? Working remotely? What do you do instead with your time? Are you hiring? Lol

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Post by [deleted] »

simpaticoder wrote: post #529
softwaredoug wrote: post #401

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Again, this betrays a strong hindsight bias. Nobody had any idea what was coming with the industrial revolution. There wasn't obviously other work for people. And for long periods of time nobody had an answer to that question for large percentage of the population. In hindsight, we know the answers NOW, but then they did not know what was going to happen. We also don't know what's going to happen, it could go as you…

Your comment betrays a lazy survivorship bias.

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