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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by twsahjklf »

vixen99 wrote: post #156
pydry wrote: post #36

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It's a sad indictment of our society that there is always a shortage of money for medical care, infrastructure, housing, food stamps and space exploration but always a surplus of cash for war and tools that purport to replace the workforce.

The current British government should be a shining beacon for you! Its welfare bill actually outstrips national income by far. Britain's pathetic defense capabilities cannot even see off Russian warships that intimidate by deliberately hanging around British waters assessing our vital undersea cabling. The UK government has now asked France if it can help deter these ships. Tangentially - I should add that even with…

Curous how france manages to have enough resources to protect its own waters, help the UK protect theirs, AND have free universal healthcare...

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by UncleMeat »

Lerc wrote: post #196
tedivm wrote: post #154

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How do you decouple it when the people who own it and are building it seem to be driven on increasing inequality?

How can you hope for anything better if you consider it an us versus them situation? When they say "We don't want to increase inequality" and the response is "We don't believe you". Where do you go from there? It seems like a lot of people want a revolution so that they can rotate who will be able to take advantage of the vulnerable. What are the suggestions for something better? I don't see a lot. I'd like to see mo…

We can look at their actions, in particular their efforts to influence public policy.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by satvikpendem »

softwaredoug wrote: post #199

Highly recommend people learn the history of the Industrial Revolution. I recently discovered the Industrial Revolutions Podcast[1] and have been enjoying it. What's happening today isn't unprecedented. The pace of change that's happening IS similar to periods of the industrial revolution. For example, the flying jenny, overnight, basically put an entire craft industry of weaving into question. Probably more dramatic…

Thomas Picketty does indeed argue in Capital in the 21st Century that the post World War 2 period is indeed an exception in terms of inequality being lower while historically it is not, and it is reverting back to the mean of there being more inequality these days, yet people bemoan the idea of not being able to live off a single job when in reality that was never guaranteed.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by mapontosevenths »

moi2388 wrote: post #168
thunky wrote: post #162

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> AI is just a dumb parrot You really need to look again. If you're still manually writing code you have your head in the sand. AI can produce better code than most devs produce. This is true for easy stuff like crud apps and even more true for harder problems that require knowledge of external domains.

It can produce better code than most devs in the hands of a good dev. The bullshit code I see coming from juniors using AI..

I view it as a force multiplier, like a lever. In good hands it produces outsized gains. In the wrong hands it produces outsized losses.

It just makes you MORE of whatever it was you already were.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by wongarsu »

miki123211 wrote: post #218
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #153

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I think you underestimate just how much we value human achievement. Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast…

People do watch F1 and Nascar though, and those get more viewers than running or cycling typically. All of those sports make intuitive sense to me, I really don't get why we make such a big thing of balls though.

I'm not really into either F1 or Nascar, but my impression from the outside is that those sports are still primarily about the drivers

F1 is somewhat about which company can build a better car. But any real improvements seem to invariably lead to a rule change that bans that improvement in future seasons. So you are back to drivers being the most visible differentiator

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by DavidPiper »

rayiner wrote: post #223
DavidPiper wrote: post #221

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I am not at all proposing that "people with billions of dollars" somehow directly pay for "the needs of the population as a whole". I'm considering "actual power", rather than "actual income".

Then who pays for it?

That is the question society is currently asking with articles like this one.

Given that (allegedly) "your salary" won't be the answer for a significant chunk of the population soon, and all that money will instead (allegedly) go to the bosses doing the firings, and the AI companies they employ instead.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by username223 »

DavidPiper wrote: post #198
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…

> Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money…

Or until actual people take the billions of dollars sitting behind those weak man-children. The US has fewer than 1000 billionaires now, and more than 300,000,000 people. That seems like a solvable problem.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by [deleted] »

eloisius wrote: post #189
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #153

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I think you underestimate just how much we value human achievement. Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast…

So us lucky survivors can take heart in the fact that we may still be able to perform for the ultra-rich as gladiators?

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by eMPee584 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #72

A bit tangent, but is there anyone working on something for “what if AI pans out?” world? I’m not sure how to explain it, but if in the next 5 years a lot of jobs get displaced because of AI, obviously we’ll have big problems. Is there anyone working on analysis, outcomes, strategies and etc.? I think about it a lot, and would be cool to help and contribute.

yes, working on a big END THE MONEY SYSTEM 2030 campaign to get public discussion started about considering the switch to a cooperative commons/resource-based open access economy. open source everything, hack the planet etc. why not make it the singularity of the people

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by Apocryphon »

hnthrow0287345 wrote: post #139
direwolf20 wrote: post #85

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The most important question is how to prevent the starving workers from banding together and attacking the dragon hoards of food and other wealth. I think the plan is automated drones with machine guns, and mass surveillance from Flock and Ring to determine who to target. Requiring ID for all online interaction will also improve targeting accuracy as we'll be able to target them based on their social media posts. Rob…

That shit will get hacked so fast once all of the pentesters, security analysts, and developers are out of work and start getting hungry.

Heck, they might even use AI to do it.
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