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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by GuB-42 »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #153
conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

I think you underestimate just how much we value human achievement. Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast…

Chess is a good example.

When chess engines started becoming really good, some people worried that competitive chess would die. Today, grandmasters stand no chance against a smartphone, and yet, chess popularity is at an all time high.

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #97
JCattheATM wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not complicated. Just tax the corporations and billionaires a fair share and setup UBI.

It is very much so complicated though. The conversations about UBI in the internet has been around since I’ve been online. And since then, there hasn’t been a single large scale test of the system to see if it can be compatible with the current version of capitalism that’s ran in the most of the world. Even if I support UBI morally, there isn’t even local appetite for it, yet alone global one. And you’ll run into qui…

The minute you institute UBI, everyone working a shit, low paying job such as trash collection is gone. You're going to have big problems if those jobs are not immediately supplanted by AI

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Post by jMyles »

deyiao wrote: post #49

They say cars replaced carriages but created drivers, so no net job loss. They say AI will do the same—destroy some jobs, create others. But bro, the automobile wiped out 95% of the world's horses. And this time, what AI is replacing is humans.

...are you suggesting that horses would prefer to endure the conditions under which they built much of the modern world on their backs?

I hate cars way more than I hate AI, but relieving horses of the burden which they carried and the gruesome lives they lived... that's not one of my objections.

If AI can do for humans what cars did for horses (but without the flooding cities with traffic violence part), I'll feel just fine about that.

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Post by energy123 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #199

Highly recommend people learn the history of the Industrial Revolution. I recently discovered the Industrial Revolutions Podcast[1] and have been enjoying it. What's happening today isn't unprecedented. The pace of change that's happening IS similar to periods of the industrial revolution. For example, the flying jenny, overnight, basically put an entire craft industry of weaving into question. Probably more dramatic…

The jobless French artisans who couldn't compete with English industrial imports was one of the causes of the French Revolution.

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Post by throwaway613746 »

quantummagic wrote: post #101
yfw wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ai benefitted everyone and not just the billionaires we would be viewing it differently.

That's a truism. But it ignores The Iron Law of Oligarchy, Pareto Principle, and dozens more that remind us that power tends towards centralization. It's currently fashionable to call out the billionaires, but if you removed them, they'd just be replaced by corrupt government officials, or something else. That's not to say we should just throw up our hands and accept every social injustice. But IMHO we shouldn't go a…

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Post by miki123211 »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #153
conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

I think you underestimate just how much we value human achievement. Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast…

People do watch F1 and Nascar though, and those get more viewers than running or cycling typically.

All of those sports make intuitive sense to me, I really don't get why we make such a big thing of balls though.

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Post by ArnoVW »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #174
conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

I feel like AI just raises the floor but doesn't push the ceiling on the quality of creative works. There's still space for creativity, novelty, invention and human intuition.

agreed. The problem is, often, when you can have "for free" something that is "good enough", you stop looking for better.

40 years ago, there was a market for:

  * newspapers

  * cameras

  * navigation tools

  * HiFi equipment

  * photographers, translators, etc
.. sure, there are still people with newspaper subscriptions, or DSLR cameras. But it's become a niche market. Those things have been replaced by your phone and a "free" service.

Same thing will happen for all the other markets that AI will gradually eat. Sure, you can find a human that can do better. But that costs 90$ / hour and requires finding someone, negotiating a contract, etc. But when people can do something good enough in 30 seconds with something they already have access to, and move on with their life, then that's what they'll do.

So just raising the floor will have a big effect on society.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #166
phyzome wrote: post #149

"Nothing that Altman could say justifies violence against him." Nothing , really? I think people are aware that speech can be an act, and that some violent acts must be resisted with reciprocal violence. (That's why we have "incitement to violence" as a limitation on free speech, for instance.) Are we at that point? Maybe not. But I think it's a poor imagination that says it can never happen.

Yeah that's my thought too. People, especially Americans (I am one) have this weird belief that violence never has any place, ever, at any time. I'd argue that the unwillingness to commit violence in certain situations is actually a character flaw. If someone threatens my child with physical violence, an unwillingness to commit violence on my child's behalf isn't better morality; it's cowardice. All this to say, I ag…

> [E]specially Americans (I am one) have this weird belief that violence never has any place, ever, at any time.

So why isn't there a huge opposition in the USA against the wars that the USA started (currently: Iran; before: Libya, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, ...).

The only famous exception of cultural impact I am aware of where there was a huge opposition against war in the USA was the Vietnam war.

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