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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by chongli »

pydry wrote: post #36
sigmoid10 wrote: post #26

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Unfortunately, this is the only way to get enough venture capital to support the compute needs for this kind of technology. Who is going to spend hundreds on billions on a vague idea without regular claims that this will upend the existing economy in six to twelve months and whoever owns it will become unfathomably rich? And despite all the actual developments we have seen going against that idea, investors keep fall…

It's a sad indictment of our society that there is always a shortage of money for medical care, infrastructure, housing, food stamps and space exploration but always a surplus of cash for war and tools that purport to replace the workforce.

There will always be a shortage of money for medical care. The dirty secret of social medicine is that a small percentage of the population are essentially unhappy utility monsters [1] who gain little or no benefit no matter how many resources are poured into treating them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_monster

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by DrProtic »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #133
DrProtic wrote: post #117

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There is 0 evidence that many people died. Let’s not parrot that media propaganda.

I was thinking about this, if the deaths were actually at the scale of 10's of thousands, would that not be visible from space? The US must have several dozen spy satellites pointed at Iran. We get various imagery to show us successful strikes. Where are the images of the mass slaughter in the street? The number I keep seeing is 30k killed. That's not an easy endeavor over the course of a week without big logistical…

We have many videos of protests in Iran even though they shut down internet, but somehow we have no videos of mass killings.

WMD all over again.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by themenomen »

Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

> "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

This statement is not decoupled; if anything, it is a more generalized one, as it does not point at any cause or causes for livelihoods to be taken.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by DrProtic »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #128
DrProtic wrote: post #117

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There is 0 evidence that many people died. Let’s not parrot that media propaganda.

Is there 0 evidence that it happened? or just arguing over 20K,30K,50k? Just want to clarify. Since some people argue Covid never happened, and some just argue the total deaths wasn't really that high. There is a sliding scale between "I sound like a raving crazy person", and "i'm just splitting hairs."

We have many videos of protests in Iran even though they shut down internet, but somehow we have no videos of mass killings or even small scale murders.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by freeone3000 »

ekidd wrote: post #158
surgical_fire wrote: post #120

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If AI eliminates the need for creativity and work, it means that our creativity and work are not meaningful enough to warrant survival. I don't think we're anywhere near that point.

Personally, I would surprised if we are less than 3 years or more than 20 years from humans being obsolete. That is, humans would be economic dead weight, any job could be done better by AI/robots, and "comparative advantage" wouldn't apply because it's cheap enough to just make more robots. At this point, the average human would be completely useless to the billionaires (or to the AIs, if the billionaires fail to co…

AI is already contributing substantially to its own development: https://novaknown.com/2026/03/12/ai-builds-ai-claude/

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by wincy »

mimentum wrote: post #195
tedivm wrote: post #154

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How do you decouple it when the people who own it and are building it seem to be driven on increasing inequality?

The people say "tax the rich". Tax AI is the answer.

This is interesting to see since on another HN post everyone is bemoaning how expensive it’s getting to use frontier models because Anthropic is massively throttling Pro Max Claude plans. That’s certainly not going to become more accessible to us normal folk through taxation.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #153
conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

I think you underestimate just how much we value human achievement. Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast…

> Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast Simone Biles or out-skate Surya Bonaly.

Big sports events are the "circenses" part of "panem et circenses" [1]. Fun fact concerning this: the German word for "entertainment" is "Unterhaltung"; thus it can be argued that the purpose of entertainment/Unterhaltung is "unten halten" (to keep at the bottom), i.e. to keep the mass of the populace at the bottom, or in other words: to prevent the mass of the populace from coming up.

> Would anyone watch these robots in competition?

I have seen robot fight competitions both live and in videos, and I have to admit that these are not boring to watch.

So yes, with a proper marketing I can easily imagine that lots of people would love to see broadcasts of some robot competitions.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by rayiner »

DavidPiper wrote: post #198
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…

How much actual money do you think the “people with billions of dollars” have in comparison to the needs of the population as a whole? I think you’re very confused about where the actual income in the economy goes.

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Post by saidnooneever »

Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

its always peoples fault. blaming technology is the shortest sight. people make it, and wittingly use it in a disagreeable way, because it earns them money.

there is something else that needs to change which everyone is reluctant to admit, or struggling with internally.

thats ok, its called conscious evolution. it hurts, but it will be ok someday. its generational, so progress is always slower than one would hope. Just know that every step in the right direction is one, even if the entire world seems to disagree keep pushing for what you beleive is right, and hopefully thats something which is not infringing on other peoples capacity to live a happy life.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by towledev »

softwaredoug wrote: post #199

Highly recommend people learn the history of the Industrial Revolution. I recently discovered the Industrial Revolutions Podcast[1] and have been enjoying it. What's happening today isn't unprecedented. The pace of change that's happening IS similar to periods of the industrial revolution. For example, the flying jenny, overnight, basically put an entire craft industry of weaving into question. Probably more dramatic…

The circumstances are similar, but the people are different. Look outside: this is WALL-E.
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