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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by zozbot234 »

tedivm wrote: post #154
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

How do you decouple it when the people who own it and are building it seem to be driven on increasing inequality?

AI is actually a mass decrease in inequality, as much as the Gutenberg printing press was. It takes something that used to be the foremost example of pure bourgeois and intellectual privilege - the culture contained within millions of books and other instances of human creativity - and provides it to everyone for the cost of a few thousand bucks in hardware and a few watts of electricity.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by Throaway199999 »

georgemcbay wrote: post #77
djtango wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magic or no, ultimately "AI" leads to labour displacement and it's just a continuation of the much broader trend of automation driven by computers. Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living and in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level. It was always going to be met with violence once it became more than a curiosity for tinkerers.

> in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level. I don't disagree that we tie purpose to work and severing that tie will have negative societal consequences, but it is far more impactful that we tie the ability to continue to exist to work (for anyone not lucky enough to already be wealthy). If I suddenly became unemployable tomorrow I'm positive I could find alternate purpos…

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by StilesCrisis »

adrian_b wrote: post #99
raincole wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dealing with customer support This is one of the first parts LLMs tried to automate. They were literally released in a form of chatbot. Whether it succeeded is another question. > Did the world really wake up one day and concluded that, "wait, we're spending too much on musicians"? I'm not sure about musicians specifically, but in the whole past decade studios have been complaining how costly it is to make AAA game…

I do not know how much I might be an outlier, because when I reach out to technical support the problems are rather difficult, because if they were easy I would solve them myself, without needing the official technical support. In any case, during perhaps hundreds of interactions with chatbots accumulated during many years, I have never encountered even one when the chatbots were useful, but they were always just dif…

The vast majority of tech support is "Level 1," which are easily solvable problems that can be handled by a flowchart (or more recently, by an LLM). Things like "I want to return this item," or "I want to cancel service," or "I want to use a different credit card."

These things generally have self-service options, but many many people are uncomfortable with them and would rather have an agent solve it for them.

Consider that a lot of users nowadays only have a cell phone, no PC. It seems like an edge case consideration but it's really not.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

I feel like AI just raises the floor but doesn't push the ceiling on the quality of creative works.

There's still space for creativity, novelty, invention and human intuition.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by Avicebron »

tedivm wrote: post #154
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

How do you decouple it when the people who own it and are building it seem to be driven on increasing inequality?

If I had the answer to that I would probably be a politician instead of a systems eng, but off the top of the mind build out a parallel economies at the state level where people in the US actually live, ensuring QoL standards, then gradually renegotiate up back to the Federal level. It would require, united..states eventually, but the general thrust is to shed corporate capture so that people see their government actually benefiting and providing them with tangible life improvements in real time.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

deyiao wrote: post #49

They say cars replaced carriages but created drivers, so no net job loss. They say AI will do the same—destroy some jobs, create others. But bro, the automobile wiped out 95% of the world's horses. And this time, what AI is replacing is humans.

The premise LLM are "AI" in the traditional definition is demonstrably false. Current models use isomorphic plagiarism and piracy to convince lazy people 20% nonsense output has meaning.

If AGI emerges from this dataset, it will continue on as an ectoparasite farming human user markdown data and viewer engagement.

Note, current "AI" models nuke humanity 94% of the time in war games, and destroy every host economy simulation.

Grandpa has your credit card, and is already at the casino. =3

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by ahjustacommente »

I think a lot of HN readers and a lot of first world/law abiding dwelllers in this and recent threads forget to think.

Violence is not a panacea, but often, the outlet.

Yes we all (majority of sane) people know that violence is not the answer yada yada yada. Doesn’t matter. It will happen anyway. Saying “it shouldn’t happen, it does not solve X” will not stop it to becoming an outlet for frustrated people.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by vidarh »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #153
conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

I think you underestimate just how much we value human achievement. Why do we watch Olympic runners, when cars on your average city street easily exceed Usain Bolt's top speed on their morning drive to Starbucks? Why do we watch the Tour de France, when we can watch Uber Eats drivers on their 150cc scooters easily outpace top cyclists? I'm sure within a couple years a Boston Dynamics robot will be able to out-gymnast…

And yet there are orders of magnitude more cars than olympic athletes, and most olympic athletes struggle to make much money on it.

So, sure, there will be space for some human achievement for the sake of it, but, most fewer and fewer people will make a living off that.

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