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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by MidnightRider39 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #97
JCattheATM wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not complicated. Just tax the corporations and billionaires a fair share and setup UBI.

It is very much so complicated though. The conversations about UBI in the internet has been around since I’ve been online. And since then, there hasn’t been a single large scale test of the system to see if it can be compatible with the current version of capitalism that’s ran in the most of the world. Even if I support UBI morally, there isn’t even local appetite for it, yet alone global one. And you’ll run into qui…

Here is a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots

Probably not the scale you imagine but there have been plenty of tests.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by pydry »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #108
dwroberts wrote: post #34

> But this is not the way. This is how things devolve into chaos. Meanwhile https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-people-ha... > U.S.-based rights group HRANA said 3,636 people have been killed since the war erupted. It said 1,701 of those were civilians, including at least 254 children. (Mentioning this specifically because we know the DoD is using AI)

Iran killed 10 times more during protests without using AI. So AI is a clear improvement.

...according to two anonymous government officials.

Coincidentally that's literally the exact same evidence cited to prove the existence of Saddam's WMDs just before launching an entirely different unprovoked attack.

That was just an unhappy mistake though, this time it's totally legit.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

DrProtic wrote: post #117
TiredOfLife wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran killed 10 times more during protests without using AI. So AI is a clear improvement.

There is 0 evidence that many people died. Let’s not parrot that media propaganda.

I was thinking about this, if the deaths were actually at the scale of 10's of thousands, would that not be visible from space?

The US must have several dozen spy satellites pointed at Iran. We get various imagery to show us successful strikes. Where are the images of the mass slaughter in the street?

The number I keep seeing is 30k killed. That's not an easy endeavor over the course of a week without big logistical hurdles. The trucks, the digging equipment, the furnaces to burn the bodies, all should have some visible trace that the US gov could point to as proof.

Yet all we got is a "trust me bro".

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

thrance wrote: post #22
tao_oat wrote: post #3

The author seems to have some cognitive dissonance. For a piece saying that you cannot justify violence, there sure seems to be an awful lot of justifying violence in here.

You should probably read up on cognitive dissonance, because this ain't it. Here's what the author actually wrote: > Nothing that Altman could say justifies violence against him. This is an undeniable truth. But unfortunately, violence might still ensue. I hope not, but I guess we are seeing what appears to be the first cases.

> Nothing that Altman could say justifies violence against him.

Not arguing with you, but the author, I don't understand this line of thinking.

If Altman introduces a technology that effectively halts the upward mobility of a large portion of the population, how does that not justify violence? Saving up for a house but now there's no work. Your dreams and aspirations are second to shareholder value. The police are already there to protect the shareholders, not the average civilian.

What recourse is there? The money in politics limits the effect voting can have. You can't really opt-out of the system. Why does Sam Altman get this nice little shield where none of his actions can have a negative consequence?

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by gaigalas »

One weirdo is enough to predict widespread violence?

I'm not convinced.

The idea that people will revolt, replaying the luddites history, has been floated a lot. It's used to diminish all kinds of AI skepticism by framing it as backwards, violent people who don't understand progress. This is the preferred bucket of AI fanboys: frame any disagreement as unreasonable rage.

I think AI companies want a general dumb violent popular movement to sprout against AI. In paper, it would be great for them. So far, they have failed to encourage it.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by theseanz »

quantummagic wrote: post #101
yfw wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ai benefitted everyone and not just the billionaires we would be viewing it differently.

That's a truism. But it ignores The Iron Law of Oligarchy, Pareto Principle, and dozens more that remind us that power tends towards centralization. It's currently fashionable to call out the billionaires, but if you removed them, they'd just be replaced by corrupt government officials, or something else. That's not to say we should just throw up our hands and accept every social injustice. But IMHO we shouldn't go a…

“But IMHO we shouldn't go around simplistically implying that all social ills will be solved by neutering the billionaire class.”

You’re right. Instead of implying, we should be taking active steps to do it.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by [deleted] »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #75
nate8bit wrote: post #13

A lot of the magic of LLMs, I think, has been tarnished by these CEOs and other FAANG companies. It might have been a far more interesting world if they didn't bring "AI" or "AGI" into the conversation in such a politicized way.

No it’s tarnished by becoming too popular. Just like how people hated nickelback, if you remember.

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by hnthrow0287345 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #85
tokioyoyo wrote: post #72

A bit tangent, but is there anyone working on something for “what if AI pans out?” world? I’m not sure how to explain it, but if in the next 5 years a lot of jobs get displaced because of AI, obviously we’ll have big problems. Is there anyone working on analysis, outcomes, strategies and etc.? I think about it a lot, and would be cool to help and contribute.

The most important question is how to prevent the starving workers from banding together and attacking the dragon hoards of food and other wealth. I think the plan is automated drones with machine guns, and mass surveillance from Flock and Ring to determine who to target. Requiring ID for all online interaction will also improve targeting accuracy as we'll be able to target them based on their social media posts. Rob…

That shit will get hacked so fast once all of the pentesters, security analysts, and developers are out of work and start getting hungry.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by beepbooptheory »

conartist6 wrote: post #114

I have said repeatedly that when AI eliminates the need for human creativity and work, the only thing left as the natural domain of humans will be bloodshed. The fact that we're using AI killer robots to wipe each other out in droves doesn't bode well for that future does it...

Listen I know this is a crazy thought around here, but what if creativity was "worth it" just for its own sake? Do you stop being creative when its not needed?

Are the only options here being a good and "useful" worker/consumer, or a violent, irrational thug? Is there nothing else you can imagine?

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