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Yes, marks of AI all over the place. Also the SVGs. >No solution written, 100% score. Its weird. Turns out that hardest problem for LLMs to really tackle is long-form text.
No, the failure is the human written prompt
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha... You are misunderstanding the saying. It is entirely about unintended consequences and viewing the system for what it actually does and not any stated intentions of the designers.
Well that’s stupid and completely ignores the meaning of the word “purpose”.
IMHO the saying is meant to make you reflect.
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> hopefully changes the way benchmarking is done The purpose of a system is what it does. AI companies want adcopy, not legitimate benchmarks. Even this very paper will be twisted into a means to that end. "Oooo, AI is exploiting our benchmarks. Scary alignment problem!!!one! Our AI is so good we can't contain it, INVEST NOW!"
I work at OpenAI and I really don't find this to be the case. We're pretty diligent about applying search blocklists, closing hacking loopholes, and reading model outputs to catch unanticipated hacks. If we wanted to, we could choose to close our eyes and plug our ears and report higher scores for Terminal-bench, SWE-bench, etc. that technically comply with the reference implementation but aren't aligned with real va…
And this is something which has reached the public eye in one of the most anticipated videos basically. So I find it a bit rough as to think that OpenAI has the best practices for data, and if the public can be shown these inaccurate graphs themselves on based on benchmarks. I find it a bit harder to trust the benchmarks themselves and if OpenAI wants legitimate benchmarks.
Also I find it wild that after 1 month of this, nobody talked about it. I remember thinking that this is gonna be the highlight for a long time that a mega billion dollar company did such basic graph errors. I feel like we are all forgetting a lot of things as our news cycle keeps on moving faster.
(Another tangential point is about the OpenAI/Google employees who had signed the pledge yet nothing came out of it and this is something more recent & I also remember one of your comments on Hackernews.)
> I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue competing on the basis of differing services and not differing scruples). Given this understanding, I don't see why I should quit. If it turns out that the deal is being misdescribed or that it won't be enforced, I can see why I should quit, but so far I haven't seen any evidence that's the case. [1]
This is a bit off-topic so sorry about that, but I hope that you realize that you did say you will go out on a limb with public comment so please don't mind if I ask for some questions, everyone supported you then and heck, even I thought that maybe I was wrong and I thought that I should trust you more than my gut-instincts because you clearly must know so much more than me/us but that aged like fine milk.
I would really love some answers or your thoughts now on that off-topic thought as well if possible as these are just some questions which are unanswered by you and I would love to have a respectful discussion about it, sorry for catching you off guard, waiting for your reply and I wish you to have a nice day ted.
[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/comments/1mk6ofz/gpt5...
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Well that’s stupid and completely ignores the meaning of the word “purpose”.
It does not ignore the word. It subverts it, and that's the point. It's the system equivalent of "death of the author", which states that omes a work is written, the authors intent loses relevance and the work must be examined on its own. The aurhors opinion or relationship to the work carries no more weight than any other persons. That's not "true" in any demonstrable sense, but it can be a useful form of analysis.…
Also worth remembering that most systems POSIWID is said about, and in fact ~all important systems affecting people, are not designed in the first place. Market forces, social, political, even organizational dynamics, are not designed top-down, they're emergent, and bottom-up wishes and intentions do not necessarily carry over to the system at large.
This is more impressive than what the benchmark was supposed to be measuring. The Kobiachi Maru.
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> hopefully changes the way benchmarking is done The purpose of a system is what it does. AI companies want adcopy, not legitimate benchmarks. Even this very paper will be twisted into a means to that end. "Oooo, AI is exploiting our benchmarks. Scary alignment problem!!!one! Our AI is so good we can't contain it, INVEST NOW!"
>The purpose of a system is what it does. I am so tired of this saying. It's not true, in general. Systems almost universally have unintended consequences and result in side effects their designers did not foresee. Designing benchmarks resistant to adversarial attempts to exploit the benchmark software is just something no one was thinking about when they created SWE-bench.
That seems like a major oversight. "AI does whatever maximizes reward/minimizes loss, not what you actually want" is one of the biggest challenges in ML in the last two decades (relevant here because researchers selecting architectures and training regimens that maximize public benchmarks are just a bigger training loop with those benchmarks as reward function). And the analogous issue post-training in AGI-like systems is well studied as the alignment problem, the core issue of classical AI safety
If cheating the benchmark is easier than passing it, you expect the cheating strategy to emerge and win. (Just like you would with humans btw)