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The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

#101
He talks in the future tense about things already happening for some time. I've had phone systems lie about talking to a bot.

> Companies are now trying to divert support requests into chats with LLMs

More than trying they are doing it very successfully and for a long time now

I do agree things can still get 10x worse than even the current state though

> When you talk to a person, there’s a “there” there—someone who, if you’re patient and polite, can actually understand what’s going on

I've found they have been trained to be machine-like for many years now and not actually help. They focus on empathy and understanding and caring about your needs...and diverting your attention away from actually resolving the issue. Here's an example recently I experienced:

I complained to my bank about how they show refunds on the app. I got a call from a lovely sounding lady who used a comforting tone to ask if I had any special needs she needs to be aware of so she can "provide extra support" .

At beginning I made it clear I'm not chasing a particular refund but rather raising a specific complaint about how refunds are shown in the app. 4 times she mentioned a specific refund assuring me that it's been refunded, ignoring everything I said at the beginning. She explained how refunds work. She explained how pending transactions work (all off topic). She explained 3 times about how they can't (won't) create a feedback loop and begged my permission to close off the complaint, saying she hopes I can understand.

That was all a very dressed up "I'll pass your feedback to the PM. Thanks" but it was whole ridiculous long phone call trying to make me feel "heard" and I came away feeling like a 15 year old

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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https://aphyr.com/posts/395-geoblocking-multiple-localities-...

Thanks for this! Seems like a bold stance… but the Online Safety Act also seems like a poor piece of legislation.

It is, but Kyle's "protest" is making absolutely no difference.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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post #64

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Not the OP, but you wrote “LLM when it came out, was perfect as an interface between a system and a normal human”. That’s a specific and very encompassing claim. I can only think of very simplistic systems (like a microwave oven maybe) where a current LLM could function perfectly as the sole command interface, much less when LLMs first became available. For systems of any significant complexity, it tends to turn into…

It was a significant jump from whatever we had before to a quality unseen before. As i mentioned, i threw english and german at it. How many people can change the time on their microwave? How many people can ask an LLM through voice or text to change the time of the microwave? A LLM is an interface to a service if you add a MCP Server. Now i can ask Jira things like "hey whats my current task? And what do i need to d…

> A LLM is an interface to a service if you add a MCP Server. Now i can ask Jira things like "hey whats my current task? And what do i need to do?"

What about configuring your Jira views, and then bookmark the resulting URL with a nice name like "Jira: Tasks in Progress" or "Jira: Important Tickets". That would be way faster than any LLM prompting.

> Its also an interface to documentation. I asked it to help me build up a hugo templating based website because just reading the hugo docs did not help me as much as the LLM did (and that was 2 years ago).

Those kind of claims would be better if the person has written down the goals before the activity and then score the end result according to those goals. A lot of time, there's a lot of post-rationalization (like "I spent time on it so the result must be good"), especially from non-expert.

Only if you care about doing things fast.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Blocked in the UK. “Online safety act”

Is this something you're seeing personally? If so, how do you know it's because of the Online Safety Act? This is a personal blog and it doesn't seem to have any adult content that I can find. The homepage of the site isn't blocked when I check it here: https://www.blocked.org.uk/check

The author is blocking UK ip addresses, presumably out of principle rather than because they’d fall foul of it.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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The worst thing is that non-technical people, and actually a lot of technical people without experience in ML, will tend to overstimate the capabilities of those systems, neither the nuances of probabilitic thinking to properly integrate their outputs in a decision. Remember that the polygraph still exists, now we will be dealing with a massive portion of the decision makers will treat as artificial inteligence not i…

I don't think that's an accurate description of what's happening here. With previous technology, sure, but the breathless overstatement of AI capabilities is coming primarily from 'technical' people who should know better.

The average person on the street is familiar with consumer-facing AI but doesn't think it's really alive/magic/the solution to everything. Our supposed best-and-brightest are the ones flogging the horse.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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So basically more ways of trying to make people buy things, do things, think things than before? I feel like our whole world more and more circulates around manipulation and the absence of truth and discourse. Then again, I do think LLMs are an incredible technological achievement. The issue is not so much what they do or that they exist, but how they are utilized. Right now, they are utilized to further the class di…

The Old Internet was a whalefall - Information online was fairly trustworthy while being more convenient and more plentiful than in-person information.

The whale's been eaten now. The broader Internet is mostly not trustworthy, or convenient, and the information is not even very plentiful.

People will and are retreating into high-trust zones. In-person networks, product recommendations from real friends, and closed group chats.

It's not the end of the world, but things have changed. We'll have to put more work into finding information than we're used to.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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But then...propose that we make some laws to put rules around this stuff, also known as regulations and everybody goes "whoa hold up hold up hold up...I dunno about that part." Of course, what those who call for regulation of AI or other nascent technologies are really saying is, "Unqualified and/or biased and/or corrupt and/or dull-witted people should make decisions that affect us all, based on incomplete, misleadi…

I'm sorry...wut?

I mean, it's pretty clear how it plays out, if you look at the EU. Those who want the US to work that way need to be fought, and fought hard.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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> The issue is not so much what they do or that they exist, but how they are utilized This is exactly how we got here though. Technology is not passive. It changes incentives, procedures, ideas and shapes the world. If we don't structurally limit what and how it's used, then we are not in control, no matter what are choices personally are.

A major problem is that if we structurally limit what technologies do, we are still not in control. Now whoever we empowered to control and limit the technology is in control. Who keeps them accountable? You’ll probably get one of three outcomes: regulatory capture by monopolies, self dealing by bureaucrats to enrich themselves or gain power, or regulatory capture by self absorbed ideologues who halt all progress or…

That’s what you will get in the US. It’s not clear a functioning democracy would produce the same outcome.
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