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The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

Leomuck wrote: post #5

So basically more ways of trying to make people buy things, do things, think things than before? I feel like our whole world more and more circulates around manipulation and the absence of truth and discourse. Then again, I do think LLMs are an incredible technological achievement. The issue is not so much what they do or that they exist, but how they are utilized. Right now, they are utilized to further the class di…

> The issue is not so much what they do or that they exist, but how they are utilized

This is exactly how we got here though. Technology is not passive. It changes incentives, procedures, ideas and shapes the world. If we don't structurally limit what and how it's used, then we are not in control, no matter what are choices personally are.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by kevg123 »

I sent the entire series by Aphyr [1] to some friends. Two of them, independently, responded with a variant of, "TLDR, can you give a summary?"

I chat with these friends a lot but I rarely send articles that I suggest they read and that I think are profound, so I expected them to read it. These are smart people that have a history of reading lots of books.

They are both huge AI proponents now and use AI for nearly everything now. Debates on various topics with them used to be rich; now, they're shallow and they just send me AI summaries of points they're clearly just predisposed to. Their attention spans are dwindling.

[1] https://aphyr.com/data/posts/411/the-future-of-everything-is...

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

jerf wrote: post #20

I don't need to conduct 1000 transactions per day. I don't forsee a world in which it will be some sort of fatal inconvenience to need to approve all purchases. I certainly don't plan on ever just handing over my credit card to an LLM, due to its fundamental architectural issues with injection, and I still don't anticipate handing it over to any future AI architecture anytime soon because I struggle to imagine what b…

Agreed. My only real complaint with this article is it frames needing to argue with a machine as though this is a new, freshly annoying thing. I already do this constantly.

Every time I call the Costco pharmacy, I just hit 0 immediately because: Phone. Trees. Suck. They have always sucked, it's just an awful, grindingly slow way to accomplish ANYTHING, and it's so, so much easier to, when I need help, get a person on the line who can figure out what's gone wrong and sort it.

The only people benefiting from cutting that down are the scum class (combo of shareholders and executives) and who's shocked, really. Everything is being ruined nearly at all times to benefit the scum class.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by GavinAnderegg »

DareTheDev wrote: post #13
phlummox wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... is there any reason why I shouldn't be visiting Aphyr's site directly?

Blocked in the UK. “Online safety act”

Is this something you're seeing personally? If so, how do you know it's because of the Online Safety Act? This is a personal blog and it doesn't seem to have any adult content that I can find. The homepage of the site isn't blocked when I check it here: https://www.blocked.org.uk/check

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by Scholmo »

Don't agree with this.

LLM when it came out, was perfect as an interface between a system and a normal human.

So many people call customer support for issues they could in theory fix themselves. If that LLM system can understand me well enough, its an okay interface.

In worst case you have to escalate anyway. My mum actually told me that she talked to some AI.

And yes normal systems are also not correct often enough. With AI/LLM software will get cheaper which should incresase quality overall.

I dont think ai/llm in this case will change anything.

Relevant change will happen due to the fact that humans can be replaced by AI/LLMs. It was not even imaginable a few years back how a good ai system would even look like. Translaters lost their jobs, basic arists lost their jobs. Small contracts for basic things are gone. The restaurant poster no one cares? AI. The website translation for some small business? no one cares.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by steveklabnik »

GavinAnderegg wrote: post #24
DareTheDev wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocked in the UK. “Online safety act”

Is this something you're seeing personally? If so, how do you know it's because of the Online Safety Act? This is a personal blog and it doesn't seem to have any adult content that I can find. The homepage of the site isn't blocked when I check it here: https://www.blocked.org.uk/check

https://aphyr.com/posts/395-geoblocking-multiple-localities-...

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by gdulli »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #23
jerf wrote: post #20

I don't need to conduct 1000 transactions per day. I don't forsee a world in which it will be some sort of fatal inconvenience to need to approve all purchases. I certainly don't plan on ever just handing over my credit card to an LLM, due to its fundamental architectural issues with injection, and I still don't anticipate handing it over to any future AI architecture anytime soon because I struggle to imagine what b…

Agreed. My only real complaint with this article is it frames needing to argue with a machine as though this is a new, freshly annoying thing. I already do this constantly. Every time I call the Costco pharmacy, I just hit 0 immediately because: Phone. Trees. Suck. They have always sucked, it's just an awful, grindingly slow way to accomplish ANYTHING, and it's so, so much easier to, when I need help, get a person on…

At least phone trees are deterministic and there's still (usually) an option to get to a person for matters that aren't covered by the multiple choice options. Talking to AI is a much worse experience and the hope of the industry is that there won't need to be a human as a fallback anymore because (they believe) the AI is intelligent enough to handle anything.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by davidclark »

Scholmo wrote: post #25

Don't agree with this. LLM when it came out, was perfect as an interface between a system and a normal human. So many people call customer support for issues they could in theory fix themselves. If that LLM system can understand me well enough, its an okay interface. In worst case you have to escalate anyway. My mum actually told me that she talked to some AI. And yes normal systems are also not correct often enough.…

>LLM when it came out, was perfect as an interface between a system and a normal human.

Statements like this make me feel like I live in a different universe with a different implementation of LLMs than other internet commenters.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by skrebbel »

kevg123 wrote: post #22

I sent the entire series by Aphyr [1] to some friends. Two of them, independently, responded with a variant of, "TLDR, can you give a summary?" I chat with these friends a lot but I rarely send articles that I suggest they read and that I think are profound, so I expected them to read it. These are smart people that have a history of reading lots of books. They are both huge AI proponents now and use AI for nearly ev…

Friends don’t send friends AI summaries
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